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    USATF Feting WR-holders
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    Read the article on home-page and see who's missing . . .
    What does that 'oversight' mean?

    Apropos of nothing . . . here's the current AT World list in the mSP [WA]

    1 23.12 Randy BARNES
    3 23.06 Ulf TIMMERMANN
    4 22.91 Alessandro ANDREI

    4 22.91 Joe KOVACS
    6 22.90 Ryan CROUSER
    6 22.90 Tomas WALSH
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    The T&FN rule is that if you have a drug DQ in the year, marks in that year 'do not count', which takes out Barnes' mark.
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    Barnes also has a lifetime drug ban, which would make it odd to feature him in an officially sponsored ceremony while he's still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    Barnes also has a lifetime drug ban, which would make it odd to feature him in an officially sponsored ceremony while he's still alive.
    But . . . since Barnes has the WR/AR, doesn't that mean that USATF would have to deem him 'clean' at the time? In which case they would have to acknowledge his performance.
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    They recognize him as the world record holder on paper, but that doesn't mean they have to give him any honors while he's still banned.

    Maybe he can be considered for a posthumous award in the future, as his lifetime ban would be over at that point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    They recognize him as the world record holder on paper, but that doesn't mean they have to give him any honors while he's still banned.
    I do get that, but it seems to be ironically hypocritical to recognize the performance, but NOT recognize the performance.

    Either he was, or he was not doping when he threw the WR.
    If he was, vacate his WR; if he was not, honor his performance.

    I guess we would need a need PED rule that stated that if one receives a life-time ban, all records are forfeit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I do get that, but it seems to be ironically hypocritical to recognize the performance, but NOT recognize the performance.
    The awards ceremony is for world record holders who aren't serving a ban. Nothing hypocritical about that, unless they've had another awards ceremony where they honored an athlete who was still serving a ban at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    The awards ceremony is for world record holders who aren't serving a ban.
    Ha! I guess this is what invitation looked like.

    Dear WR-Holders Who Are Not Serving a Lifetime Ban,

    You are cordially invited to attend the 2019 USATF Night of Legends on December 7th in Reno, Nevada that will be honoring all Americans, dead or alive, who hold current World Records.

    Cordially yours,

    Randy Sukhs, USATF party chair

    P.S. You needn't mention this to Mr. R. Barnes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I do get that, but it seems to be ironically hypocritical to recognize the performance, but NOT recognize the performance.

    Either he was, or he was not doping when he threw the WR.
    If he was, vacate his WR; if he was not, honor his performance.

    I guess we would need a need PED rule that stated that if one receives a life-time ban, all records are forfeit?
    Given that he tested positive soon thereafter and the thinness of testing it seem somewhere between highly likely and virtually certain that he was doping when he threw the WR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26mi235 View Post
    Given that he tested positive soon thereafter and the thinness of testing it seem somewhere between highly likely and virtually certain that he was doping when he threw the WR.
    I guess the remaining question is - how did he beat the test at the WR meet but not the subsequent one?
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