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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I do get that, but it seems to be ironically hypocritical to recognize the performance, but NOT recognize the performance.

    Either he was, or he was not doping when he threw the WR.
    If he was, vacate his WR; if he was not, honor his performance.

    I guess we would need a need PED rule that stated that if one receives a life-time ban, all records are forfeit?
    Under the rules of the sport (i.e. the IAAF/WA of which USATF is a member) his performance is entitled to be the WR and he is entitled to be listed as the WR holder.

    Under their own rules, as an athlete banned for life from the sport, the USATF are perfectly entitled not to invite him to their event. A position that many thousands of people around the world would agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I guess we would need a need PED rule that stated that if one receives a life-time ban, all records are forfeit?
    Having your world record recognized means only one thing: you still have the record until somebody betters it. It doesn't mean you're entitled to every future benefit and accolade that may derive from the world record.

    Whoever gives out such benefits and awards has every right to impose additional conditions or restrictions after the fact, as long they don't break any relevant contractual agreement that was in place at the time of the record-setting performance. USATF didn't have any agreement with Randy Barnes in 1990 (or the larger population of record holders at the time) to honor him in 2019 if his record still stands.

    Exclusionary conditions for a record-based award don't stop the record from being recognized for anybody; it only means they don't get the particular award(s) which derive from the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26mi235 View Post
    The T&FN rule is that if you have a drug DQ in the year, marks in that year 'do not count', which takes out Barnes' mark.
    I certainly don't have any quarrel with this practice, but wonder if it should be more stringent - say any mark within a year of the drug DQ.
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    You do the crime, you do the time.
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    When you guys sort that out, can someone explain how Ben Plucknett's 72.34m that was negated by IAAF due to a prior drug test failure, and not listed as a valid mark anywhere in their stats, be the American Record and the North American Record?
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    left hand and right didn't always agree in those early days of testing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master403 View Post
    When you guys sort that out, can someone explain how Ben Plucknett's 72.34m that was negated by IAAF due to a prior drug test failure, and not listed as a valid mark anywhere in their stats, be the American Record and the North American Record?
    Not only that, but he ended up as no. 1 in TFN's world rankings.
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