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    there are some uber-profitable exceptions, of course

    https://www.athleticscholarships.net...l-programs.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    there are some uber-profitable exceptions, of course

    https://www.athleticscholarships.net...l-programs.htm
    Key excerpt from that page:

    the reality is that even athletic departments with the most profitable football programs struggle to break even.

    This happens because football and, to a lesser extent, menís basketball subsidize all of the other sports which do not generate any revenue. So, in order pay student-athletes, schools would have to cut other non-revenue sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    but a lot of pressure to keep football
    If and when colleges start to fold their FB programs, there be a huge hue and cry from alums/boosters. Whichever groups have the deepest pockets will win the recruiting races for the dwindling number of 'applicants'.
    They will have to pry the cold dead fingers off the Notre Dame faithfuls' #1 foam fingers, before it goes under.
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    I think the rules of football will change (to placate the concussion concerned) before the numbers of participants gets too low.

    There's too much money behind football to let it wither too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortius19 View Post
    I think the rules of football will change (to placate the concussion concerned) before the numbers of participants gets too low.
    There's too much money behind football to let it wither too much.
    Absolutely, but the new product, essentially 'touch' football, with hi-tech sensors, will obviate the need for trench-warfare, which will dilute the product immensely - leaving the big bodies free to 'throw stuff'!

    The summer 7-on-7 leagues are the prototype for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN1965 View Post
    How many D1 schools actually make net profit from football?
    Okay. So I found the answer to my own question. (Data are from 2016.)

    P5 schools. 64/65 make profit on football. 54/65 make profit on men's basketball.
    The rest of FBS. 6/64 make profit on football. 7/64 make profit on men's basketball.
    FCS. 3/120 make profit on football. 3/120 make profit on men's basketball.
    Schools w/o football. 5/95 make profit on men's basketball.

    In total, 73/239 make profit on football and 69/334 make profit on men's basketball.

    https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...l_20180123.pdf

    You could also read the D2 report here.

    http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...E%20report.pdf
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    This article suggests all "official" numbers should be taken with many grains of salt.

    https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8...hletic-budgets
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    And those numbers include some things and exclude others. Football and Basketball play a part in a lot of donations. They also probably play a part in legislative funding....
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    The P5 schools have a distinct advantage. Every basketball game that Kentucky's men plays each year is televised to some degree, generating a revenue stream. The major conferences have their own networks devoted to only sports. Shoe and apparel deals bring in money.

    While it is conceivable that a reduction in the number of athletes playing football might have a positive impact on track and field participation, unless the public takes a more aggressive interest in our sport, it will not have much effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donley2 View Post
    This article suggests all "official" numbers should be taken with many grains of salt.

    https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8...hletic-budgets
    That article also should be read with some grains of salt, given the authors' agenda.

    In any case, my point was that P5 schools and the rest of D1 operate on different models. There are many schools outside of P5 conferences that have excellent track/cc teams. Those teams are not funded by "football money."
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