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    With Ukraine in the news so much, I heard the proper pronunciation of its capital and was shocked how badly Murkans butcher it.

    I thought it was

    Key-ev

    but give a listen here; it's much closer to

    Kay-ee-yu

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/u...login=facebook
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    I've been there, and I don't recall anyone pronouncing it that way. On the other hand, nobody there was speaking to me in Ukrainian. The Ukrainians speaking to me (e.g., in the hotel) may have been pronouncing it in a way that they expected that I would better understand it. It's also possible that some of the people who spoke to me (again, hotel and restaurant employees) may not themselves have been Ukrainian.

    There's also the question of how you spell it. Wiki sez both Kiev and Kyiv are ok, and neither is pronounced the way it's pronounced on that NYTimes audio.
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    and we use the National Geographic spelling: Kyyiv

    (but no matter what, it'll always be Chicken Kiev :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    and we use the National Geographic spelling: Kyyiv

    (but no matter what, it'll always be Chicken Kiev :-)
    Did you mean Kyiv? Because there's a Nat Geo article on the city that spells it way, which is pretty common
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    I never heard it pronounce any other than kee-yev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pego View Post
    I never heard it pronounce any other than kee-yev.
    Same here.

    One other thing ... as my Ukrainian foreign exchange daughter told me years ago, it is Ukraine, NOT "the" Ukraine. Any more than we say, the Brazil or the Russia or the Canada.
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    that's old-school Russian apparently. From NYT briefing this morning

    <<Yuri Shevchuk, a lecturer in Ukrainian at Columbia University, said Ukrainians stressed the first vowel, and pronounced it like the “i” in the word “kid.” The second vowel sounds like the “ee” sound in “keel,” and the “v” is also pronounced like the end of the word “low.” (It’s a bit hard to describe; there is an audio clip here.)

    In Russian, Kiev sounds more like “KEY-ev.” But U.S. State Department employees generally try to pronounce it the Ukrainian way — though at some points on Wednesday it sounded more like “keev,” with the long “ee” pronounced as a single syllable.>>
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    Yes, but Bronx County, New York, is still The Bronx.

    And then there's The Gambia.
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    Peking to Peiping to Beijing
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukehjsteve View Post
    Peking to Peiping to Beijing
    It never dawned on me that it's the same city. Dumb me. Never too old to learn.
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