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    Martin Scorsese on why he said Marvel movies aren't cinema
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    I understand why he says that and I certainly respect him as a director, because this is exactly the kind high brow intellectualism that is the hallmark of someone who lacks perspective. He said,

    Cinema is an art form that brings you the unexpected. In superhero movies, nothing is at risk, a director says.
    He's making a semantic argument that holds no water with the VAST majority of movie-goers.
    Is there more nuance to appreciate in one of his films? Absolutely.
    Is there greater entertainment value to his movies? Only if intense character studies are the only thing that movies are supposed to communicate, which fails the smell test.
    If Joker outgrosses his top 3 movies (which it might), is he really willing to denigrate its value to audiences? I use Joker as an example because it's R-rated (so adult-oriented) and I didn't even like it, because it wasn't true to either the material or our understanding of mental illness, which it purported to portray. But word-of-mouth is propelling it past the $ONE BILLION mark.
    I'm sure jeremyp will dismiss this post, which is fine, but just because someone THINKS it isn't cinema (which, yes, is synonymous with 'movies' to most people) doesn't make it so, even if you are Martin S.

    Another quote in the article is much more 'sensible'.

    The fact that the films themselves don’t interest me is a matter of personal taste and temperament.
    He should have just left it at that.
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    if gross revenue is the determining factor in how great a movie is, allow me to nominate Thomas Kinkade as the greatest painter ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    Is there more nuance to appreciate in one of his films? Absolutely.
    im going to disagree with that. Im not a huge fan of MS.

    Question , did MS produce the Terminator 1 or 2?
    Did MS produce Rambo 1 or 2 ?

    And that just about settles it.

    Who wants to go to the movies to see some twisting of reality that turns a common street criminal into a super hero ? No thanks.

    Taxi driver worked because the driver was a Vietnam war veteran,

    I saw good fellas and it was horrible, the making of monsters into heros is the work of a nihilist.

    Friends, feast your eyes and ears on high drama of the rarest caliber:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtloZNaoV-0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxaCa-hr8o

    - From the user4 movie archives

    user4 has one thing to say to Martin:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    if gross revenue is the determining factor in how great a movie is
    [rant] OF COURSE IT'S NOT! Jeeez, how many times do I have to say that? It IS, however, an extremely good indicator of how much people enjoy it.

    It someone has such a refined palate that only certain kinds of 'cinema' sate their needs, more power to them. But do NOT judge those of us hoi-polloi who are easily amused and/or entertained by action films that have no greater purpose than to make people happy.

    Why do some Oscar-nominated films do so poorly at the Box Office? Because few people want to see them. If some people want to say they liked it, yay for them.

    If someone likes Kinkade or Michael Bublé or a velour depiction of Dogs Playing Poker, YAY for them.

    I'm really, really tired of people telling me what I should or should not like!
    I even tell my students not to trust me or believe a word I say if they don't want to. When a test comes along, just put the answer that will get you a good grade - you certainly are under no obligation to believe it to be true just because I do. [/rant]
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    See, I thought GH was praising Kinkade (as he should, Kinkade is awesome!).
    You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    See, I thought GH was praising Kinkade (as he should, Kinkade is awesome!).
    I don't like him simply because I grew up in New England and his paintings seem kitschy to me, but I know people who proudly display them over their mantels, and I always say something nice about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    See, I thought GH was praising Kinkade (as he should, Kinkade is awesome!).
    Yeah... who doesn't like Kinkade paintings... they make be feel comfy..
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    Truly the finest artist ever:

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    I can agree with a lot of what Martin Scorsese said. However, I disagree with him when he says certain movies are not cinema. I can't stand those Marvel movies either (loved the comic books however) but I will not say they are not cinema.
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