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    Quote Originally Posted by TN1965 View Post
    Given how both Johnson and Corbyn are hated by so many people, it's remarkable that Lib Dem could not capitalize on that at all.
    What tends to happen is that those whose nightmare is a right-wing Conservative Government tactically vote Labour and those who fear a left-wing Labour Government tactically vote Conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user4 View Post
    At least the FT did not blame it on the weather.

    The UK will hold together for now but if the UK doesn't learn from the EUs Brussels bureaucratic gross oversteps it too will have it's sails trimmed in 20 years.
    This is greatly exaggerated by certain parts of the British press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    What tends to happen is that those whose nightmare is a right-wing Conservative Government tactically vote Labour and those who fear a left-wing Labour Government tactically vote Conservative.
    Exactly, humans are quite adept at weighing risks.

    Brexit will be good for the UK and it will actually help the EU dons reflect and assess their mis-steps. No reason why they cant get back on track, serving their various national peoples. Hopefully they can highlight what was good about the EU from its conception and do so before they lose another country.
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    Major humiliation for Corbyn. Even Northern areas like Workington and Wrexham which had voted Labour since our grandfathers and great grandfathers have gone for the Tories. This could be a turning point in the UK if the Tories play their cards right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mungo man View Post
    Major humiliation for Corbyn. Even Northern areas like Workington and Wrexham which had voted Labour since our grandfathers and great grandfathers have gone for the Tories. This could be a turning point in the UK if the Tories play their cards right.
    From afar it seemed Corbyn was the perfect representative of his party, with impeccable elite peer sensibilities and universalist policies. He looked the part, he sounded the part and he had the energy to campaign and implement and govern according to their platform.


    As for the SNP, it must be considered in perspective and context. It is fundamentally pro EU only in the sense of seeking a proper check on English dominance of the UK in Scotland. Do you really think that the Scottish, especially those that see themselves as "Scottish Nationalist", are swooning for the EU and its governance model ? Highly unlikely. They are Scots first and if the UK does not respect that identity then with more local autonomy, then the UK is in for a surprise.
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    Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland took a hit and Scottish National Party picked up seats.

    While most of the country went for the Conservatives, there were deep fractures within the United Kingdom, as Scottish voters overwhelmingly backed the pro-Europe, pro-independence Scottish National Party.

    The SNP won 48 seats, up from the 35 seats it won in 2017. The leader of the party, Nicola Sturgeon, said the results gave her movement a "strengthened" mandate for a second vote to ask its people whether they want to remain part of Britain or leave.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...73f_story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    What tends to happen is that those whose nightmare is a right-wing Conservative Government tactically vote Labour and those who fear a left-wing Labour Government tactically vote Conservative.
    Judging from the outcome, there were not many people who belong to the former.
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    Could you imagine how much different things might look for Labour if Ed Miliband hadn't knifed his more accomplished and vastly more likable older brother?
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    Interesting and thorough article....though long...on Labour and Corbyn in the New York Review today....

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/1...ratic-england/
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