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    PCOS = Polycystic ovary syndrome

    ADRV = Anti-Doping Rule Violation
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    Quote Originally Posted by polevaultpower View Post
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    XX women with PCOS can have T levels above this new 5 nmol/L cutoff, we don't charge them with an ADRV, or even require that they lower their T levels.
    That sounds wise. How frequently do women with PCOS have T levels above the cutoff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by polevaultpower
    XX women with PCOS can have T levels above this new 5 nmol/L cutoff, we don't charge them with an ADRV, or even require that they lower their T levels.
    First, let me emphasize that I am not a gynecologist or reproductive endocrinologist, so not exactly an expert on polycystic ovary, also known by an older generation as Stein-Leventhal syndrome.

    It is true that these women have high testosterone levels, but their physique is anything but athletic. They are generally overwight, tend to be diabetic, so not considering them in the same class as the transsexuals is entirely appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    That sounds wise. How frequently do women with PCOS have T levels above the cutoff?
    Never in the known history of medicine, according to the IAAF who said the highest known T level ever recorded was 4.8 (slightly under the 5.0 nmol/L cutoff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    Never in the known history of medicine, according to the IAAF who said the highest known T level ever recorded was 4.8 (slightly under the 5.0 nmol/L cutoff).
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    It's reported here that at least five states have pending legislation that would require that athletes in high school and lower grades compete on teams that correspond with the sex stated on their birth certificates.

    https://www.christianheadlines.com/c...ith-girls.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    It's reported here that at least five states have pending legislation that would require that athletes in high school and lower grades compete on teams that correspond with the sex stated on their birth certificates.
    Good, and even though it doesn't address the Semenya circumstance (she was 'female' at birth), this is as far as one should take it at younger ages. I think intersex should be able to compete as the sex assigned at birth, but when prize money is involved, then we need further investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    It's reported here that at least five states have pending legislation that would require that athletes in high school and lower grades compete on teams that correspond with the sex stated on their birth certificates.

    https://www.christianheadlines.com/c...ith-girls.html
    Of course, New Jersey passed a law in 2019 that allows an individual to change the sex retroactively on a birth certificate.
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    Add Idaho to the list of states with pending legislation.

    https://www.idahostatesman.com/opini...239121313.html
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