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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf View Post
    She exposed and publicized the cheaters but I don't she that she challenged their idiotic claim of "fairness." .. just nodded and accepted their blarney.
    Fairness is in the eyes of the beholder, and personally I'm not interested in hearing what journalists think is fair I want to hear what the interviewees think is fair. There's a difference between debating and interviewing.
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    Jazz, I think we are on the same page here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf View Post
    Jazz, I think we are on the same page here.
    There's no doubt we're on the same page with regards to McKinnon. I guess I'm not a fan of the combative style of interviewing but some folks like that style.

    My theory about transgender athletes is that if you're mediocre as male but elite when competing against females, then the hormone treatment you're talking is insufficient to level the playing field, because the best male athletes in the world (eg. Usain Bolt, Lebron James, Rafeal Nadal, Saquon Barkley, etc.) would have been among the best female athletes in the world had they been born female, and mediocre male athletes would have been mediocre female athletes had they been born female. I thought the interviewer made a good point about Chris Hoy, who was a beast of a cyclist before he retired. Look at the guy and tell me how 12 months of hormone therapy would have reduced his performance enough for female cyclists to be competitive with him.

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    Just watched the video interview of the two Connecticut transgender girls. Overwhelming feeling of “why are we even having this conversation?” It’s appalling that there’s any attempt to “normalize” their participation in female athletic events of any sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJay View Post
    J” It’s appalling that there’s any attempt to “normalize” their participation in female athletic events of any sort.
    My point,, exactly..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJay View Post
    Just watched the video interview of the two Connecticut transgender girls. Overwhelming feeling of “why are we even having this conversation?” It’s appalling that there’s any attempt to “normalize” their participation in female athletic events of any sort.
    Part of it I suppose is a lot of folks don't take women's sports seriously...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    Just ran across this video. Pre-apology if it has already been posted. This case continues to be infuriating...

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    I suppose when Ms McKinnon talks about their being a "stereotype" of all men being stronger than all women she is referring to the fact that there are some women who are stronger than some men. However, this is a completely spurious argument for automatically allowing a transwoman to compete as a woman. To me, it is like saying that because some 40 year old men are faster than some 25 year old men that a 25 year old should be allowed to compete in an over 40s race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    There's no way for courts to get into this issue without analyzing a team's talent evaluation and recruitment process, and that's too subjective to be able to prove discrimination in a court of law. The reason Colin Kaepernick isn't playing in the NFL today is because he can't prove in a courtroom that he's better than many of the quarterbacks that are on NFL rosters and that he would make some teams better.
    Unlike an objective sport such as TnF
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN1965 View Post
    And where exactly are those transgender athletes? Do they suddenly pop up because a coach wants to sign them?
    Nah, they just pop up after summer break when they realise they are crap male athletes and by waving the abracadabra wand "Don't worry about my external appendages but I am now identifying as a woman", and hey presto we now have a ballsy new world class female athlete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    What was the reporter supposed to do? Go all Bill O'Reilly on him? Is there a question that didn't get asked that should have been asked? Anyone with a IQ higher than his/her body temperature could see McKinnon's spin and obfuscation for what it is. I think the reporter did an excellent job of exposing this fraudster.
    Im not a big fan of the O'Baxter mega personality interview type, more ego than mental horsepower, not entertaining for me. But an interviewer that is focused on the facts and only the facts can make very easy work of these drama queen types (and they come in all shapes and sexes).

    But when the interviewer goes into the interview with the predetermined set of ground rules that gives absolute acceptance and legitimacy to the most bizarre claims simply because the interviewee "believes" it there is bound to be a vast world of viewers that sit scratching our heads wondering what the hell is going on.

    This happens all the time too. It is not just these fruit cakes in the present context, it happens all the time with interviewers on so many fronts that I have to assume that it is part of the journalist culture that the first and most sacred rule of this new business is that there are NO facts or truths that can ever be discovered that can challenge a person's beliefs about themselves.

    He could have been caught with an axe in his hand stuck into the head of his wife but the interviewer has to treat his belief of his innocence just like every other fact on the scene.

    And because of that the journalist is fair only in so far as they can look with a blank non-judgemental stare when the interviewee makes the most bizarre claims.

    And let me double down that I suspect that many of these journalist types have very weak backgrounds in science/chemistry/biology.

    And so here we are with a perfectly healthy XY individual pretending to be a woman and looking indignant at the interviewer for questioning why they shouldnt be allowed to collect their 1st prize for beating women in a sporting event.


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