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    Quote Originally Posted by JayIsMe View Post
    We can stick with track- remember the brush spike?

    https://www.puma-catchup.com/the-forbidden-shoe/
    Yes...but that was in the days when Adidas and Puma were bitter rivals and Adidas had a lot of influence....there is no comparison now...the only significant player in the marathon scene is Nike....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Who cares what swimming does....Btw the biggest problem with those suits was they were very expensive, lasted only a race or 2, and took a bloody half hour to put on....not at all comparable to these shoes...
    Another issue with the swimsuits was that they were found to help fatter swimmers more than fitter swimmers.

    Subcutaneous bodyfat wobbles and ripples when swimming fast (or doing any other vigorous activity), creating additional drag in the water. Those ultra-tight suits stopped the wobbling, giving a greater speed boost to swimmers with more wobbly fat than lean swimmers.

    If the shoe gives a bigger benefit to second-tier professional runners than the very best runners, that's a good reason to ban them from official competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    And who are these shoes really unfair to...it seems almost all the top marathon runners run for Nike.....this isn't the same as 30 years ago when NB, Puma, Tiger etc were major players in the distance scene...
    FIVE years ago, the five fastest marathon runners of all time (Kimetto, Mutai, Kipsang. Macau and Geb) were all Adidas sponsored runners.
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    5 years ago....repeat that again....who runs for Adidas now...
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    "If the shoe gives a bigger benefit to second-tier professional runners than the very best runners, that's a good reason to ban them from official competition. "

    Indeed...a bunch of Americans running decent times like in Chicago is the last thing the sport needs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    No one will die using these shoes..if anything it will keep athletes healthier..sure a few athletes may have a slight! advantage for awhile but that won't last....
    Beg to differ re: nobody will die, lol. I have a pair, and trying to run curves in them leaves me very concerned about a skid out, and/or broken ankles!
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    There are more than a few people who think that ANYTHING Nike does has to be evil....it gets out hand....the Salazar thing was awful...but they make great shoes.
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    our overview of the aided-shoe question now posted to home page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    I thought that was with blood doping in dutch cyclists in the '80s and not with EPO use under a physician's guidance.
    I think that there were a set of deaths even in the 2000s.
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    this is not a doping thread.... please stop
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