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    Karsten Warholm / Sifan Hassan
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckySpikes View Post
    The men's winner is easy to pick ... Karsten Warholm for the greatest season ever by a 400m Hurdler - six times under 47.5 this season. The previous bests were Samba (4) and Moses (3).

    More difficult for the women I think, but Brigid Kosgei would be far from the worst choice.
    400m Hurdler Muhammad had a better season...and against stronger competition.
    In fact if Muhammad doesn't win AOY neither should Warholm.
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    Lyles and Hassan.
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    Lyles will get more credit for the 100/200 and may be picked by the IAAF, but Warholm really is the AOY by a good margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebee View Post
    400m Hurdler Muhammad had a better season...and against stronger competition.
    In fact if Muhammad doesn't win AOY neither should Warholm.
    How many losses to how many people did Muhammad have compared to Warholm? How do you conclude that Muhammad’s competition was stronger than Warholm’s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    you mean where 15 of the top 25 men PRed?
    I mean how far behind the men’s world record
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    How many losses to how many people did Muhammad have compared to Warholm? How do you conclude that Muhammad’s competition was stronger than Warholm’s?
    TWO WR's in the two biggest meets of the year.
    Warholm's top competitors were not healthy.
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    Muhammad has tougher competition for AOY than Warholm. For my money Warholm's season was better than Muhammad's (undefeated, much more consistent); but if Warholm wins and Muhammad doesn't, it might not mean others agree with my view, it could be simply because Muhammad is up against undefeated WR-setters like Kosgei and unusual doublers like Hassan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebee View Post
    TWO WR's in the two biggest meets of the year.....
    It could be argued that that's a particularly U.S.-centric view of the world, and that the second most important meet of the year was the DL Final, and not only did Muhammad lose there, she also finished 3rd, not 2nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    It could be argued that that's a particularly U.S.-centric view of the world, and that the second most important meet of the year was the DL Final, and not only did Muhammad lose there, she also finished 3rd, not 2nd.
    It could also be argued that the women’s 400h record wasn’t nearly as strong as those for other events since it’s a relatively young event. For example, Warholm’s 46.92 is worth 1288 points on the IAAF scoring table while Muhammad’s 52.16 WR is only worth 1263 points.
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