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    Quote Originally Posted by wibblesWOO View Post
    well it will make a lot of money for some; this phony nonsense! what a bore
    And if he had missed, you'd have been laughing all day, right? Yeah; sure.

    The pacers deserve every penny they got. They got a good workout, for whatever late-season road races they might enter; and Kipchoge gets to say he had THE single greatest training day by anyone in distance running history...

    ...Because no matter how you slice it, it's all true. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookyMonzta View Post
    So now, a 40-year-old (Eamonn Coghlan, 41 in 1994) broke 4 minutes for a mile (3:58.15); a 40-year-old (Kim Collins) broke 10.00 for the 100 (9.93 in 2016) and a man broke 2 hours for a marathon, even if officially it would be a training run.

    What is there left? Will I live long enough to see a woman go under 4 minutes for a mile? That would require the 1,500 WR to drop by another 8 seconds. Sifan Hassan's 3:51.95 is good for 4:10.x.
    Historical times like Kipchoge's 1:59 highlights the importance of both rabbits and course! Any "imperfect" entity of the race has to be made up by the other great parts. for example.....

    I saw Eamonn "fail" at his attempt to break 4 minute masters at Milrose. (he ran 4:02! Still was a WMR!) They had him in a "regular" mile race, as opposed to the "Wannamaker" group! Running boards at MSG is not easy! I thought the "Wannamaker" field could've "pulled him," a bit more, to make up for an imperfect track! (I don't think he would've been that far back!) And a week later, a better Boston track enabled him to break 4:00!

    Flat Vienna course + rotating rabbits (a virtual who's who!) = 1:59!

    I want to see a 1:59 in New York or Boston! That's the real mountaintop!
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    in NYC or Boston you probably couldn't do 1:59 in a car! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by einnod23 View Post
    I want to see a 1:59 in New York or Boston! That's the real mountaintop!
    A 1:59 in Boston is a real possibility. Two guys went 2:03:0x when the world record was 2:03:59 (Gebrselassie). Who has gone 2:03-low on legit courses in the last 2 years? Maybe Birhanu Legese (2:02:48) and Sisay Lemma (2:03:36) ought to run this in April.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    in NYC or Boston you probably couldn't do 1:59 in a car! :-)
    But what about that net downhill drop in Boston?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDFINE View Post
    No way. This was the ultimate paced effort. It was like a laboratory experiment. In either a paced or un-paced real world race there would still be surges in the latter half. There would be different preparation and a different mental approach by the athletes.
    Of course it will be repeated. Might take a few more years, but the record has dropped steadily from 2:06:05 to 2:01:39 over the last 20 years, so it would be unreasonable to think that it won't drop below 2:00 in the next 20, probably much sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    in NYC or Boston you probably couldn't do 1:59 in a car! :-)
    No toll booths at the Verazanno, anymore! Cameras scan the bib number, (knocks off a few secs!) and INEOS pays the $17 toll, later......!
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    Get a huge tailwind at Boston like 1983 and anything is possible....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    Just zoomed thru the replay and the best part for me was seeing all the all-star pacers cheering him on.
    Agree - and the way they dropped back to give him the limelight at the end reminded me of Curtis Beach dropping back with a huge grin on his face at the 2012 OT as Eaton finished off his WR with a 4:14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    The sub 1:40 800 is one that comes to mind. However, as 38 years after Coe's 1:41.73 we are 'only' at 1:40.92 it may be some time yet.
    Two 50 second laps would be a thing of beauty. I hope it happens in my lifetime (I'm 58), but the rate of improvement has slowed a lot since Coe.
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