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    Quote Originally Posted by CookyMonzta View Post
    Now the big question: Will they both get it on in Tokyo?
    I'd rather see them both run a fast race in Berlin next year in great conditions than some hot day in Tokyo....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    I'd rather see them both run a fast race in Berlin next year in great conditions than some hot day in Tokyo....
    I have mixed feelings about that. The beauty of an Olympic marathon is that it is racing at its finest. (At least in my opinion) It would be wonderful to watch the Olympic race unfold with no pacers, but tactical chops necessary. Would Kipchoge race differently from how he raced in Rio, knowing Bekele is there the entire time?

    But they have raced at the marathon several times, with Kipchoge winning every time. Bekele really has only 2 Berlin masterpieces, and the question will be, Can he do it again elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    What's wrong with that?....you think the public cares....this is great news...incredible time...and just misses the WR again.....

    Besides the carbon fiber technology is probably part of Bolt's old shoes...

    7 kg? That's 15 lbs....on an already thin dude...
    Don't wish for this to be a primary topic of this thread, but as the subject is in the mix for every fast marathon now, I guess it's there. I agree w Conor re: the effects of these Nike shoes. There seems to be no question that they do improve running economy, and thus performance to some extent. But we have specially designed performance optimizing footwear in every other athletics event -- perhaps every event. Amy Cragg made this point in an August 2 interview with Jonathan Gault at LetsRun. A quote from her:

    “I think they're [Nike's Vaporfly shoes]worth a lot just because if you can train in them, they kind of save your legs in training,” Cragg said. “I love them. I think they’re finally the shoe that’s worthy of the marathon. For a long time, people would take trainers, and they were just trying to make trainers lighter for the marathon. And we don’t do that for the 100 meters on the track, we don’t do that for any other event, really. But for some reason for the marathon, it was just like what we train in, but lighter.”

    That's the best statement I've read on this topic. So, yeah, that footwear is part of the advancement of this event. A change in the sport. But that footwear (or something pretty much equivalent) is on more and more elite feet, and soon will be on every elite's feet. And today, this one elite ran 2:01.41, which is pretty amazing.
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    Those are all good comments...track shoes and surfaces have evolved greatly for the benefit of the sport. Hayward was widened and dramatically changed in 1987 and no one complained...

    Unless they use wheels I don't care what the shoe companies do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    I have mixed feelings about that. The beauty of an Olympic marathon is that it is racing at its finest. (At least in my opinion) It would be wonderful to watch the Olympic race unfold with no pacers, but tactical chops necessary. Would Kipchoge race differently from how he raced in Rio, knowing Bekele is there the entire time?

    But they have raced at the marathon several times, with Kipchoge winning every time. Bekele really has only 2 Berlin masterpieces, and the question will be, Can he do it again elsewhere?
    Yes I loved the old Olympic Marathons especially 1984....a real race in trying conditions...but those days are gone since 95% of the top runners come from 2 countries....

    I have no problem with the pacemakers...they just get the rythmn of the race going...Chicago went with the no rabbits for a while but quit...the first race was 5 minute pace for 20 and then they picked it up....someone won but so what...in the end a pretty forgettable race...
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    One difference between Bekele and Kipchoge in the marathon is the latter is a lesson in concentration for a marathon....while Bekele seems to lose focus at times ...today with only 2 miles to go he was way off WR pace and losing badly and yet almost got it...by storming back...
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    So weird having a major marathon like Berlin during a WC or Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveu View Post
    So weird having a major marathon like Berlin during a WC or Olympics.
    It is but it is the WC that has moved to an irregular part of the calendar. It would have been weird for a big city marathon to move because of the WCs with all the logistical issues that might raise.
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    Bekele's loss of focus has been worse during training than in racing; maybe he has now handled that problem.
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