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    Quote Originally Posted by 26mi235 View Post
    DAS is the last star standing; I hope that (presuming that she wins) that he victory is not denigrated because of all the top ones not being here.
    All the top ones that had any chance of beating DAS is in fact one SMU.
    SAFP is a far better 100 runner and ET just didn't do anything after that early season 22.00. Their absence won't taint a Dina victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AS View Post
    I'm on daylight for silver and bronze behind DAS. What's the biggest ever winning margin?
    Table for WC results. Excludes 2003 Kelli White 22.05 first place with later DQ. Not sure if all drug bans are incorporated.

    Rank Year Diff Athlete Time
    1 2007 0.53 Allyson Felix 21.81
    Veronica Campbell 22.34
    2 1999 0.45 Inger Miller 21.77
    Beverly McDonald 22.22
    3 2009 0.33 Allyson Felix 22.02
    Veronica Campbell-Brown 22.35
    4 1987 0.22 Silke Gladisch-Moller 21.74
    Florence Griffith-Joyner 21.96
    5 2011 0.15 Carmelita Jeter 22.37
    Veronica Campbell-Brown 22.22
    6 2013 0.15 Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce 22.17
    Murielle Ahoure 22.32
    2005 0.15 Allyson Felix 22.16
    Rachelle Boone-Smith 22.31
    8 2001 0.13 Marion Jones 22.39
    Debbie Ferguson 22.52
    9 2003 0.09 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya 22.38
    Torri Edwards 22.47
    10 1997 0.07 Zhanna Tarnopolskaya-Pintusevich 22.32
    Susanthika Jayasinghe 22.39
    1991 0.07 Katrin Krabbe 22.09
    Gwen Torrence 22.16
    12 1983 0.06 Marita Koch 22.13
    Merlene Ottey 22.19
    13 2015 0.03 Dafne Schippers 21.63
    Elaine Thompson 21.66
    14 2017 0.03 Dafne Schippers 22.05
    Marie-Josée Ta Lou 22.08
    15 1993 0.02 Merlene Ottey 21.98
    Gwen Torrence 22.00
    16 1995 0.00 Merlene Ottey 22.12
    Irina Privalova 22.12
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFelixFan View Post
    This is a really diluted final. At any rate, Asher-Smith's drawn a great lane and should be on her way to a 21.9x and clear victory. If she wins, which looks super probable at the moment, I don't think anyone can take anything from her victory. Thompson, Schippers, and Ta Lou weren't going to beat her at these championships anyway.
    I think you're right, DAS was certainly gold medal favourite for most people without SMU anyway, but the point is, we don't know what would have happened, we can only speculate. (SAFP in amazing form and strong; ET & Okagbare going into Doha with greater SBs than DAS - and win over her at Pre - Ta Lou in 100m PB = form, Schippers defending champ etc etc..)
    But you can only beat who turns up on the day and I hope we see a run comfortably under 22 secs from DAS, and that will hopefully put to bed any speculation.*

    Are we going to see an American 2-3-4 here?

    As has been mentioned a few times though, it does raise the question of future timetabling of the event; ensuring there is a rest day between the 100m final and the 200m heats; and allowing a 200/400 double too.

    * Anecdote from Roma 1987. Poor Silke Gladisch, after her 21.74 PB/CR run, kept getting asked by reporters that, as neither Ashford nor Drechsler were running the 200, was her victory a hollow one? Her reply "I have beaten Heike this year over both distances, and in the 100m here, so why not the 200m? As for Ashford, the best Americans qualified for Rome, and I have beaten them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    All the top ones that had any chance of beating DAS is in fact one SMU.
    SAFP is a far better 100 runner and ET just didn't do anything after that early season 22.00. Their absence won't taint a Dina victory.
    Go read up on ET's past 200m seasons: In 2016 she came 3rd at Pre in 22.16 - her fastest time going into Rio - got destroyed by Schippers in Oslo, losing by more than half a second, and then ran a heat outside 23.3 at the JAM nationals, yet she came out and won Olympic gold in 21.78. In 2015 she went into Beijing with a SB of 22.10 and then ran 21.66 in the final. This season she went into Doha with a faster SB then her 15 & 16 seasons, so there was every reason to believe she could run fast again (and don't forget one week after her 22.00 at the Nationals she beat DAS at Pre)

    No one is taking anything away from DAS, but lets not underestimate what Elaine Thompson was capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    All the top ones that had any chance of beating DAS is in fact one SMU.
    SAFP is a far better 100 runner and ET just didn't do anything after that early season 22.00. Their absence won't taint a Dina victory.
    No one's victory should be tainted by who couldn't/didn't/wouldn't run. The gold medal is the gold medal and there are no medals for fantasy victories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFelixFan View Post
    This is a really diluted final. At any rate, Asher-Smith's drawn a great lane and should be on her way to a 21.9x and clear victory. If she wins, which looks super probable at the moment, I don't think anyone can take anything from her victory. Thompson, Schippers, and Ta Lou weren't going to beat her at these championships anyway.

    ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY PB SB 2019
    2 817 Gina BASS GAMGAM 22.58 22.58
    3 386 Ivet LALOVA-COLLIO BULBUL 22.32 22.45
    4 1685 Mujinga KAMBUNDJI SUISUI 22.26 22.26
    5 1945 Anglerne ANNELUS USAUSA 22.16 22.16
    6 1950 Brittany BROWN USAUSA 22.33 22.33
    7 855 Dina ASHER-SMITH GBRGBR 21.89 22.08
    8 1953 Dezerea BRYANT USAUSA 22.18 22.47
    9 225 Tynia GAITHER BAHBAH 22.54 22.57
    DAS chasing fast starter Bryant should be good and her final 50m have looked solid all year and did last year at Euros when she ran rounds. She can only race who turns up and I am sure will be very focused not to allow the withdrawals to distract her from her main focus.

    Achilles tendons are a nightmare and has plagued Thompson for three seasons now but I thought after a 22.00 in Kingston, that she'd been able to get the work in during the off season to have the speed and endurance necessary to challenge for gold.

    Brown, Kambundji and Annelus a fight for the remaining medals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booond View Post
    No one's victory should be tainted by who couldn't/didn't/wouldn't run. The gold medal is the gold medal and there are no medals for fantasy victories.
    "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster View Post
    Achilles tendons are a nightmare and has plagued Thompson for three seasons now but I thought after a 22.00 in Kingston, that she'd been able to get the work in during the off season to have the speed and endurance necessary to challenge for gold.
    I agree, after her NC's times the signs going into Doha were that she might do something great here.

    The concern now for Thompson is that she only has 10 months until Tokyo, and she will want to up her training volume and intensity next season, but will her body allow it? If her achilles problems continue, the fact that she wasn't practicing her block starts in Doha suggests on the one hand she should maybe focus on the 200m, where a weaker start has slightly less affect on your race. We also have SAFP back to her best in the 100m. On the other hand, the 200m has more depth, and with SMU able to double, DAS on the ascendancy, hopefully an injured & healthy Schippers...

    Everyone wants the 100m title though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    Go read up on ET's past 200m seasons:
    I am entirely aware of what ET did in previous years. And I know what the date on the calendar is today. I'm looking forward to the 2019 version of the women's 200 meter final at the 2019 World Championships in Doha.

    "Oh the things that might have been, if only things were not the way they are...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    I am entirely aware of what ET did in previous years.
    And yet you write "ET just didn't do anything after that early season 22.00" which shows no understanding or appreciation of her past seasons and pedigree.

    “Sometimes we can’t see what’s right in front of us, because it’s behind us, and we’re looking in a mirror."

    I think everyone on these forums is looking forward to this evenings final.
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