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    Muhammed ran 52.2 over hurdles, so your projected differential from hurdle to flat is 3.0
    McLaughlin also ran about 52.2, so she projects to be 4.6 sec faster on the flat? That doesn't seem plausible. They are both excellent hurdlers, but 1.6 seconds on flat running is not logical. In your estimate, I would lower Mohammed's split to 48.2, or 4.0 seconds faster than the hurdle time.
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    You get two gains: 400h to 400-flat; 400-flat to 400relay/running start.
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    splits, after looking at our video of the first two exchanges

    1. United States 3:18.92 (WL, AL) (18W; 9A)
    (Phyllis Francis 50.5, Sydney McLaughlin 48.8, Dalilah Muhammad 49.43, Wadeline Jonathas 50.20);

    2. Poland 3:21.89 NR (#11 nation)
    (Iga Baumgart-Witan 51.0, Patrycja Wyciszkiewicz 50.0, Małgorzata Hołub-Kowalik 50.7, Justyna Święty-Ersetic 50.2);

    3. Jamaica 3:22.37
    (Anastasia Le-Roy 51.5, Tiffany James 51.0, Stephenie Ann McPherson 49.6, Shericka Jackson 50.3);

    4. Great Britain 3:23.02
    (Zoey Clark 51.8, Jodie Williams 49.6, Emily Diamond 50.7, Laviai Nielsen 50.9);

    5. Belgium 3:27.15
    (Hanne Claes 52.1, Imke Vervaet 51.7, Paulien Couckuyt 51.9, Camille Laus 51.5);

    6. Ukraine 3:27.48
    (Kateryna Klymyuk 52.8, Olha Lyakhova 51.3, Tetyana Melnyk 52.6, Anna Ryzhykova 50.8);

    7. Netherlands 3:27.89
    (Lieke Klaver 52.6, Lisanne de Witte 50.6, Bianca Baak 52.5, Femke Bol 52.2);

    … dq[lane]—[5]Canada [3:25.91]
    (Alicia Brown 52.6, Aiyanna Stiverne 51.1, Maddy Price 51.5, Sage Watson 50.7).

    edited to fix last 2 legs of US
    Last edited by gh; 10-11-2019 at 07:17 PM.
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    I'm one of many Brits hoping Jodie Williams opts to step up fully to 400 for Tokyo.
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    It looks like Poland should have used Wyciszkiewicz in the mixed relay instead of Baumgart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinter_1997 View Post
    Muhammed ran 52.2 over hurdles, so your projected differential from hurdle to flat is 3.0.
    A set Hurdle-flat differential does not exist. It's different for every athlete. In every race. Same in the 100/110H.
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    Based on the IAAF's electronic split for Muhammad and gh's split for McLaughlin, and using a relay/open differential of 0.7s, they had a flat/hurdle differential of 2.03s [52.16 - (49.43+0.7)] and 2.73s [52.23 - (48.8+0.7)] respectively. If this is real, Muhammad should be really worried about the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    Muhammad should be really worried about the future.
    The primary reason for DM's worry is that she's 29 and SM is 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    The primary reason for DM's worry is that she's 29 and SM is 20.
    Yep, not much room for improvement, neither in terms of raw speed or mechanical efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    Yep, not much room for improvement, neither in terms of raw speed or mechanical efficiency.
    When you’ve just set the world record twice in one year, it would seem very unlikely that you do have much room for improvement. DH is not only at the top of her game, but the top of any women’s game ever in the event.

    The fact that SM seemingly has so much more room for improvement is actually startling and suggestive of a level of ability never even remotely seen before in this event.

    DM is the fastest 400m hurdler ever, but within the margin of error for the record. SM is on a different level all together and hopefully will reflect that with a time equivalent to her ability soon enough.
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