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    Quote Originally Posted by DJG View Post
    Now what happened today for the US men:
    First exchange was okay; 2nd exchange Gatlin runs up on Rodgers;
    3rd exchange, another typical US cluster----.
    Gillipsie leaves when Rodgers hits the tape (the cameras switch to the straight away angle)
    but it does appear that the distance to the go mark was quite generous which means that Rodgers was expected to finish strong, which he obviously did not.
    Question, why have a long mark in a prelim when you know all you have to do is qualify and you know you have someone else to anchor in the final? It makes absolutely no sense to have the mark so long.
    So what happens, Gillipsie leaves on time Rodgers starts yelling and runs 4or 5 strides with his right arm extended which causes him to slow down even more.
    Gillipsie put his arm back and runs 4or 5 strides with it extended making his target-hand harder to hit.
    Result: another terrible exchange in a situation that called for nothing but a safe, easy, smooth exchange. And that is the fault of the relay coaches.
    The US technique is flawed and it is only a matter of time before disaster strikes again.
    For those New here, The US men take 6 steps and put their arms back and wait for the stick. They don't call stick and then put the hand back in one stride and get the baton quickly. Instead they run with arms extended and not accelerating as well as they should.
    At some point the US men will do something in the 4x1 relay that has never been done before: the outgoing runner will knock the baton out of the incoming runner's hand.

    That's what could happen when the outgoing runner initiates the blind exchange instead of the incoming runner who can see.

    Madness, Pure madness!
    Great analysis. Up until 1995 the us won this thing one way or another with a couple of exceptions. Then since 1995 many more failures than successes. In the last decade the only success was beating a bolt anchored Jamaica in 2015 in the world relays. It is like a disease
    that has a simple cure that the patient constantly sabotages!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    In short, no.
    In that case I expect they run 37.5 ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJG View Post
    Yes, they do, but they have those small hands to overlap on the stick and they have two hands on the baton for a relatively long time near the end of the zone.
    They also have more opportunity to step of the heels of the outgoing runner.
    Check their third exchange today.

    PS. LoneWolf, I know you have been around a long time.
    But I have been a relay guy for 55 years and they is nothing that would convince me that close-quarter upswing is better than fully-extended downswing flick of the wrist.
    As a novice it seems that with upswing the outgoing runner's hand is more stationary than it is with the method USA (and most others) use...thus easier to put baton in outgoing runner's hand; it also seems like it is a more natural position to have your hand down rather than up while you are trying to accelerate...just MHO
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    Here’s hoping the US team got that out of their system and manage to get it right next time......
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    guess Gatlin only runs hard in finals. Holloway (check out his third leg for Florida at NCAA) needs to replace Rogers on third. Lyles on anchor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedoorknobbroke View Post
    As a novice it seems that with upswing the outgoing runner's hand is more stationary than it is with the method USA (and most others) use...thus easier to put baton in outgoing runner's hand; it also seems like it is a more natural position to have your hand down rather than up while you are trying to accelerate...just MHO
    When done correctly, the receiver's hand doesn't even need to be stationary. The incoming runner calls stick because he is in position to pass the instant the hand comes back.
    As for accelerating with your arm down, that is not as good as using the normal arm motion that sprinters use to accelerate. And if your incoming runner is taller than the outgoing, he has to stoop down to reach the hand, not a Good sprinting posture.

    The more strides the outgoing runner takes with his arm extended back to receive the baton the more likely the pass will not be efficient and quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Kritzler View Post
    needs to replace Rogers on third
    Do we have any good curve runners who finish strong? Lyles is going to have to do a safe exchange with Rogers bringing in the stick; otherwise, they're going to get DQ'd for zone violation
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    text from Doha

    <<Infield announcer just told us the n4x1 will be run to declare the greatest men’s quartet in history!>>
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    Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!
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    That is how u run it 37.10 AR !!!
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