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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakilo View Post
    So it turns out the capacity of the stadium is set at 21,000
    The IAAF has been telling Eugene for years that minimum seating capacity for the Worlds must be 30,000, yet a few days ago they claimed that the plan in Doha had always been to tarp off the top half of the stadium:
    "The federation referred SportBusiness to a statement claiming that the upper tier of seating in the Khalifa stadium was never part of the ticketing programme."
    https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/q...-sales-report/

    Well, no one, including me, believes that Eugene can possibly add 17,500 temporary seats in addition to the 12,500 permanent seats in the new stadium, so it's all good--there will be more than enough seating capacity. <eye roll>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charley Shaffer View Post
    The IAAF has been telling Eugene for years that minimum seating capacity for the Worlds must be 30,000, yet a few days ago they claimed that the plan in Doha had always been to tarp off the top half of the stadium:
    "The federation referred SportBusiness to a statement claiming that the upper tier of seating in the Khalifa stadium was never part of the ticketing programme."
    https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/q...-sales-report/

    Well, no one, including me, believes that Eugene can possibly add 17,500 temporary seats in addition to the 12,500 permanent seats in the new stadium, so it's all good--there will be more than enough seating capacity. <eye roll>
    The demand will be hugely higher in Eugene than here in Qatar. I think many people aren't coming from other countries due to fears of the Middle East, religious and political persuasons and Qatar being dis-liked by so many neighbors. Last night you could count the Qatari locals on two hands. Sure, it was a Friday, but we were in a mall eating dinner at 11PM and it was packed, so I'm not buying that people don't go to sports events on Friday any more than people in the US don't go to football games on Sunday.
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    interesting population fact: there are twice as many people in Portland than there are actual Qatari citizens (313,000 as of '17)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    interesting population fact: there are twice as many people in Portland than there are actual Qatari citizens (313,000 as of '17)
    That's true as far as it goes, but the actual population of Qatar is 2.6 million, with most of it concentrated in and around Doha.
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    does nothing to change the fact I presented; why the ongoing nitpicking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    does nothing to change the fact I presented; why the ongoing nitpicking?
    You presented your fact, I presented mine. How is that nitpicking?

    It seems to me the number of actual inhabitants is more relevant to potential stadium attendance than the number of passport holders anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    You presented your fact, I presented mine. How is that nitpicking?

    It seems to me the number of actual inhabitants is more relevant to potential stadium attendance than the number of passport holders anyway.
    Facts are indeed facts but have no meaning until put in context.

    While the population of Qatar is much larger than 300k, most of those are essentially one step above slave labour, and sometimes, effectively that.

    In any of those countries labourers like the Indians will be paid poorly, and sometimes not at all, and if they complain, they are just deported and replaced with another poor hopeful.

    This is the ultimate 3D wet dream of the Chicago School - desperate, dependent and disposable units of production.

    Even the technical employees or business investors, such as the UK 25k, run the risk of being imprisoned or deported if they rub certain people the wrong way or just lose investors money in a business deal.

    The poor people will not usually have the time, money or interest to attend the WC unless their employer compels them to. The rest who do have money, are only interested in making more of it or spending it, not attending IAAF WC.

    Here is a wikipedia table of population by origin. Pro tip reality check, nobody counts as human in Qatar except Qataris.

    Country Number percent
    India 2.650,000 98.00%
    Qatar 330,000 12.10%
    Philippines 260,000 10.00%
    Egypt 200,000 8.60%
    Bangladesh 280,000 12.10%
    Sri Lanka 145,256 5.60%
    Pakistan 125,000 4.80%
    Syria 54,000 2.20%
    Sudan 50,000 2.10%
    Jordan 40,000 1.72%
    Indonesia 39,000 1.68%
    Iran 30,000 1.3%
    United Kingdom 25,000 1.10%
    Lebanon 25,000 1.08%
    Ethiopia 21,374 0.92%
    Palestine 20,500 0.89%
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Toro View Post
    Here is a wikipedia table of population by origin. Pro tip reality check, nobody counts as human in Qatar except Qataris.

    Country Number percent
    India 2.650,000 98.00%
    Qatar 330,000 12.10%
    Philippines 260,000 10.00%
    Egypt 200,000 8.60%
    Bangladesh 280,000 12.10%
    Sri Lanka 145,256 5.60%
    Pakistan 125,000 4.80%
    Syria 54,000 2.20%
    Sudan 50,000 2.10%
    Jordan 40,000 1.72%
    Indonesia 39,000 1.68%
    Iran 30,000 1.3%
    United Kingdom 25,000 1.10%
    Lebanon 25,000 1.08%
    Ethiopia 21,374 0.92%
    Palestine 20,500 0.89%
    Interesting post but what do the percentages mean? It is not the percentage of overall population, which would look thus (assuming the population numbers are correct):

    India 2,650,000 61.70%
    Qatar 330,000 7.68%
    Philippines 260,000 6.05%
    Egypt 200,000 4.66%
    Bangladesh 280,000 6.52%
    Sri Lanka 145,256 3.38%
    Pakistan 125,000 2.91%
    Syria 54,000 1.26%
    Sudan 50,000 1.16%
    Jordan 40,000 0.93%
    Indonesia 39,000 0.91%
    Iran 30,000 0.70%
    UK 25,000 0.58%
    Lebanon 25,000 0.58%
    Ethiopia 21,374 0.50%
    Palestine 20,500 0.48%
    4,295,130 100.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad hammy View Post
    Interesting post but what do the percentages mean?
    Sadly, I don't review and quality assure every reference I might post.

    However, the % figures don't change the narrative - Qataris are around 12% of the population and have all the money and rights, the rest don't.

    I think the simple explanation is that they may have lumped in all "darkish people from the sub-continent" into the "Indian" category but I'm not going to work it out.

    If you want to pursue it:

    The wikipedia article with the table is here.

    The primary reference seems to have been partially updated with post-2017 data here.

    The other reference is here.
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/20...thon-athletes/

    The combination of the women’s marathon debacle and lack of attendance inside the stadium prompted decathlon world champion and world record holder Kevin Mayer to deliver a scathing verdict of the championships on Saturday.

    “Even if people aren’t saying it out loud, it’s obvious it’s a disaster,” he said. “There is no one in the stadium, the heat is not at all adapted, yesterday we saw about 30 people drop out of the marathon - it’s sad.

    “We have to leave reason aside and concentrate on passion, because if not I would have boycotted these championships.

    He added: “Clearly by organising the championship here, they didn’t put the athletes first, they’ve mostly put them in jeopardy.
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