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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy News View Post
    The women 1500 is wide open even if Hassan is running it.
    Certainly the question marks by Klosterhalfen's and Muir's names muddy the picture.

    Since Hassan can't do the 15/5 double, she'd be the fave for a 5/10 double ala Ayana. If H runs the 15, ain't nobody beating her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    It would be a major surprise if Hassan didn't win it.
    She may not run it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy News View Post
    She may not run it.
    I realize that, but you said "even if Hassan is running it", so my claim was made on the assumption she does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    I realize that, but you said "even if Hassan is running it", so my claim was made on the assumption she does.
    Oops what I meant is that the 2nd and 3rd place is still wide open even if Hassan runs the 1500m.
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    Iím not sure Hassan would be the favourite if she entered the 5k, she was only 3rd at the London DL behind Obiri and Tirop. Itís a tricky equation for her, I think she will veer towards the 1500/10k double, she seems intent on doing some combination, which I canít understand when she has never won a major gold. I would have thought her priority would be to get a gold in Doha then attempt a double in Tokyo.

    IMO she risks success in the 1500 somewhat with that 10k in her legs
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    Much is being made of the facts that: 1) Shaunae Miller-Uibo will not double in the 200/400; and 2) Sifan Hassan and Konstanze Klosterhalfen cannot double in the 1500/5000, because the schedule makes those doubles extremely difficult or impossible. The finals of the W 1500 and 5000 are on the same day! OTOH, the men can double in 15/5 with no problem. In the past, the schedule has been changed to allow certain athletes to double up in the 200/400 -- Michael Johnson and Marie-Jose Perec successfully doubled in 1996, and Allyson Felix in 2011 got a silver and a bronze. I believe that SMU's agent or federation tried to get IAAF to modify the schedule, but the IAAF refused. The Tokyo schedule may permit it. Hassan is also entered in the 10,000, so she may decide to double in the 1500/10,000, a unique double. Steven Gardiner is one who might be interested in doubling in Tokyo in the 200/400.

    The 100/200/4x1, 400/4x4, and 5000/10000 have always (?) been accommodated, but others have been sometimes doable, sometimes not. This schedule differs from the "usual" one in that the M 10,000 is on the last day; usually, the two 10,000s have been on days 1 and 2.

    We recall that Alberto Juantorena doubled in the 400/800 in Montreal, Peter Snell did the 8/15 in 1964, Hicham El Guerrouj the 15/5 in 2004, several have done the 5/10, and now it looks like Karsten Warholm is going to try the 400/400H, which Sydney McLaughlin might go for next year. Other possibilities are the HEP/LJ, which Jackie Joyner-Kersee did twice, in 1987 WC and 1988 Olympics, and the HEP/HJ. Nafi Thiam has competed in both, but never in the same championships.

    So, here are some associated pairs of events and how the Doha schedule affects them, for both men and women.
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    200/400      200 3,4,5  400 5,6,8*   200 4,5,6  400 4,5,7
    400/800      800 2,3,5  400 5,6,8**  800 1,2,4  400 4,5,7***
    800/1500     800 2,3,5 1500 7,8,10   800 1,2,4 1500 6,7,9
    1500/5000   5000 1,4   1500 7,8,10  1500 6,7,9 5000 6,9 (impossible)
    5000/10000  5000 1,4  10000 10     10000 2     5000 6,9
    400/400H    400H 1,2,4  400 5,6,8    400 4,5,7 400H 5,6,8****
    HEP/HJ                                HJ 1,4    HEP 6,7
    HEP/LJ                               HEP 6,7     LJ 9,10
    * M 400 heats six hours before M 200 final
    ** M 400 heats six hours before M 800 final
    *** W 400 heats four hours before W 800 final
    **** W 400H heats three 1/2 hours before W 400 semis

    In the above cases, it's not impossible, but difficult enough that I don't think anyone is trying these.
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    Irena Szewińska would have likely won the 200/400 double in Montreal, had the schedule allowed for it.
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    women's LJ/TJ is essentially impossible in Doha, with the LJ Q just 2.5 hours before the TJ final.
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    But somehow 100/200 double is always possible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakilo View Post
    But somehow 100/200 double is always possible!
    As mentioned before, any one of us could come up with a 10-day schedule that would allow for any 'subsequent' event double: 100/200, 200/400, 400/800, 800/1500, 1500/5000, 5/10, LJ/TJ, SP/DT (I so wanted Crouser to continue pursuing that!), etc., but the PTB have political agendas to follow instead. More IAAF tomfoolery.
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