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    Good change in that it will eliminate calling as fair the visual fouls where toe rides front spike and does not touch plasticine It will be more difficult to repair minor nicks in plasticine.
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    Amendments to Rules 184 and 185 fundamentally redefine what is a foul. Currently the jumper, while taking off, has to contact the ground beyond the takeoff line to commit a foul. Under the new rule, breaking the plane at the takeoff line with the foot or shoe while taking off will be a foul. To that end, the cross-section of the plasticine will be a square, not a triangle, and stick up 7 mm at the takeoff line.

    Any thoughts on this change?
    Terrible. And why? The plasticine as currently used already will tell if the tip of the shoe touched the ground past the board, so what problem is this rule change supposed to solve?

    In any real world long jumping scenario where the edge of the takeoff spot matters (e.g. jumping from one roof to another), if the tip of your shoe crosses the vertical plane of the takeoff surface but doesn't also press downwards into the horizontal plane, you can still make the jump; you don't fall over the edge, because your downward force was contained within the bounds of the surface.

    What next, will discus throwers be called for fouls if their heel goes outside the cylinder of the circle (without touching the ground)?

    And they're not rewriting the long jump and triple jump world records for this, so this just unnecessarily adds years to the life expectancy of a set of records which are already older than most of the elite men and women who compete in the events.
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    One benefit of eliminating the plasticine board is that it would also eliminate the time-consuming task of smoothing and replacing the boards.
    They're not removing the plasticine, they're only changing the shape of it.
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    It kinda depends on whether you thought the old "touch the ground" or "beyond the plane" rules were fair and equitable. This essentially make both rules "beyond the plane".
    Ok by me... except for the nuisance of swapping boards with virtully every foul..with the old touch rule, the triangular plasticine would always catch the 1/16" foul and frequently miss the 2" foul.
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    elemental question: in this day and age, how common is plasticine? Assume rarely if ever used at HS level (other than "national lchamps" meets). How about at the NCAA level?
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    Was commonly used at most NCAA meets for a couple of years about 10-12 years ago, seldom see it now... don't recall ever seeing at HS meet
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    With plasticine, the jumpers get a break that those w/o it do not get. To repeat: OVER THE LINE IS OVER THE LINE.
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    I predict that overall the distance of jumps will decrease. (Some) experienced plasticine jumpers "upwarped" the toes of their shoes on the chance that if they really blasted an all out effort they might get lucky and not leave a mark... There are going to be more fouls.. or lesser jumps.
    Also, there is a mantra among the preponderance of jump officials: "ties go to the jumper". This is going to eliminate those "ties". which will become fouls, and wipe out a lot big jumps.
    Not that there is a lot of "home cooking" , it will also reduce/eliminate that.
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    elemental question: in this day and age, how common is plasticine? Assume rarely if ever used at HS level (other than "national lchamps" meets). How about at the NCAA level?
    The NCAA rule (and I believe the HS rule) is already breaking the plane, not touching. So there's no need for plasticine.
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    Yep....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf View Post
    the triangular plasticine would always catch the 1/16" foul and frequently miss the 2" foul.
    Which is why the rule change makes sense.
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