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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shank View Post
    Speaking of the "twenty-hundred" steeplechase, Chepkoech ran her first 2K in Monaco last year in 5:49.9, and her last 2K in 5:49.0, per the "Race Analysis" file from last year's meet.

    The 2K steeple is an easier target than the f%()ing 2 mile.
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    Yeah, but Krause could have gone much faster, since she was sitting behind Yavi, and didn't start kicking until after the last water jump. And she created a 4 sec gap in the last 150m.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATK View Post
    Because the sport progresses... There was once a point where no one had to run sub 10.90 for a medal. In the past few decades you had to run sub 10.85 for a medal. In 2012, you had to run 10.81 to get a medal.
    Sprint hasn't progressed in the last 30 years. 10.49 is still unreachable and in 1992 10.86 didn't get you a medal. In 2016 nine women ran sub 10.90, five sub 10.80, but you still didn't need a sub 10.80 for a medal.
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    #53
    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    how is that any different than the markedly different configurations between interior- and exterior-water jump setups in the 3000 steeple?
    Maybe the inner & outer jump configurations should have two separate records.

    But the key consideration is whether the 2K mark within a 3K race would have included the same number of wet & dry jumps as a 2K race, and whether that answer is the same for tracks with inner vs outer water jumps. I haven't done the math to figure that out conclusively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norunner View Post
    10.49 is still unreachable
    Including FloJo . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    The 2K record was soft as a result of being contested infrequently at the elite level, but it wouldn't be appropriate to count a 2K split within a 3K race as a 2K record, given the different start positions on the track (200m apart) and therefore different relative positioning of the water jump.
    The last 2K of the 3K steeple is the same as the 2K steeple, and Chepkoech ran 5:49 for her last 2K in her WR. The inside/outside water jump makes no difference; still 28 hurdles and a water jump. The only difference is that the initial segment in the "outie" is very short, because the laps are longer. My split program is set up for "innie" courses, so the the kilo split has to be taken before the "five laps to go" split. On the "outie" the kilo point comes after five to go.

    Bottom line -- it is appropriate to compare the last-2K split. The first 2K would be slightly different because it would include the initial jump-less segment. That is why I gave both first- and last-2k marks for Chepkoech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shank View Post
    The last 2K of the 3K steeple is the same as the 2K steeple, and Chepkoech ran 5:49 for her last 2K in her WR. The inside/outside water jump makes no difference; still 28 hurdles and a water jump. The only difference is that the initial segment in the "outie" is very short, because the laps are longer. My split program is set up for "innie" courses, so the the kilo split has to be taken before the "five laps to go" split. On the "outie" the kilo point comes after five to go.

    Bottom line -- it is appropriate to compare the last-2K split. The first 2K would be slightly different because it would include the initial jump-less segment. That is why I gave both first- and last-2k marks for Chepkoech.
    Comparisons for discussion purposes are fine, but the last 2K of a 3K has a flying start, so not they're not equivalent for record purposes.
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    For longer distances, is the running start even that significant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    Comparisons for discussion purposes are fine, but the last 2K of a 3K has a flying start, so not they're not equivalent for record purposes.
    ha, ha, ha !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by norunner View Post
    Sprint hasn't progressed in the last 30 years. 10.49 is still unreachable and in 1992 10.86 didn't get you a medal. In 2016 nine women ran sub 10.90, five sub 10.80, but you still didn't need a sub 10.80 for a medal.
    We all know 10.49 is questionable. Jeter ran the 3rd, 5th and 6th fastest times in history this decade. Thompson and SAFP running 10.69 later this month is VERY realistic.
    Again I ask, would DAS running 10.80 in Doha be farfetched?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    Comparisons for discussion purposes are fine, but the last 2K of a 3K has a flying start, so not they're not equivalent for record purposes.
    I wasn't ever talking about "record purposes".
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