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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    Unless you're Edwin Moses, the GOAT by a long shot, it's a crap shoot every time you go out there.
    That's something I forget about. Dominating and/or maintaining a win streak in any event is very difficult. My perception is that it's harder in the 400h than in other events, which makes Edwin's accomplishment that much greater. Thoughts?
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    Of course Warholm is not in Moses's league yet, career-wise, but with 5 consecutive sub-47.5 races, he's pretty damn consistent. And, as I keep stressing, he still has relatively short experience as a 400H specialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    That's something I forget about. Dominating and/or maintaining a win streak in any event is very difficult. My perception is that it's harder in the 400h than in other events, which makes Edwin's accomplishment that much greater. Thoughts?
    Not sure; Felix Sanchez had a good win streak too, and Warholm and Benjamin have both been very consistent this year with good race after good race.

    No disputing though that Moses was one of a kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    which makes Edwin's accomplishment that much greater. Thoughts?
    Moses was the ultimate analytical master technician. He had it down to a science. There were no variables for him.

    His 13-stride pattern was well within his capabilities, so even If he was ever a little 'off' (which he had to be if he was human), he could still hold that stride-pattern, which automatically gave him a fast time. If he was super-on, he could do what 110Hers do: maintain the stride pattern by not over-striding (i.e., keep a quick turnover without letting the stride lengthen).

    So, I think it was actually very doable for him to maintain that incredible string. If he was down, his 13SP saved him; if he was up, the race took care of itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    Of course Warholm is not in Moses's league yet, career-wise, but with 5 consecutive sub-47.5 races, he's pretty damn consistent. And, as I keep stressing, he still has relatively short experience as a 400H specialist.
    Seems to be on his way to a great career.

    Top 50 Performances (47.48 and under) 15 of which are in the last 2 years. What a great time for 400mH.

    Moses 13
    Samba 6
    Warholm 5
    Young 5
    Benjamin 4
    Jackson, Sanchez 3
    Schmid, Harris 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Flying Pigdog View Post
    She said after Zurich, she's not running the 200m at Worlds so I think that officially closes the book on that. I also agree that it is way too late to change it for Doha even if she did appeal.

    As for SMU's prospects at 200 vs. 400, I'm with those that think she is more of a lock in the 200. It would take a gargantuan effort from ET or DAS to approach sub 21.8 whereas in the 400, apart from the threats of Naser and Seyni, there is a way greater chance of a tactical/strategic mistake.

    I think she should have went with the 200 if she wanted an easier path to gold but at the same time, excited to see how far sub 49 she can go and if sub 48 is possible??
    Why is everyone ruling out Thompson? Thompson sb is 10 73 this year which is superior to 2015 when she set her 21 66 pb. I assume she is in heavy training. If Elaine n Shelly were not in top form their coach would likely not have them doubling as he is notorious for not having athletes double even when they are in world best form Also 200 rounds are different than one off 200s see Tori Bowie. Dina or Elaine can run one of those crackin curves that really throws Miller for a loop and she hasnt had to deal with the girls at their best all year. Ask Sanya its easy to run your best when you are much better than everyone on the circuit. It feels different when someone passes you early in a global final. Shaunae would be fave for gold yes but def not a lock.
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    With modern shoes and tracks, one wonders how fast Moses (and Young) would have run
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    Quote Originally Posted by LopenUupunut View Post
    Felix Sanchez had a good win streak too,
    Sanchez's win streak was 42 races/35 finals. Moses's win streak was 122 races/107 finals.
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    unremarked in Zürich: WR for Warholm, AR for Benjamin!

    New Millennium Records that is :-)
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    Amazing....a post about the wonders of Edwin Moses....and then one on...wouldn't it be great if we can pretend that era hadn't happened....

    Which reminds me of this book I just started....someone could write an athletics version....

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...n=new&qid=&sr=
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