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    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:

    Tim Montgomery
    Marion Jones
    Chryste Gaines
    Jon Drummond
    LaShawn Merritt
    Denis Mitchell
    Kelli White
    Torri Edwards
    Shawn Crawford
    Mike Rodgers
    Justin Gatlin
    Tyson Gay
    Mark Jelks
    Kevin Braunskill
    Antonio Pettigrew
    Michelle Collins
    Ramon Clay
    Crystal Cox
    Debbie Dunn
    Sandro Glover
    Mickey Grimes
    Alvin Harrison
    Calvin Harrison
    Floyd Heard
    Mark Jelks
    Wallace Spearmon
    Jerome Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:
    You may wish to double check the count; it appears that you counted Jelks twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:

    Tim Montgomery
    Marion Jones
    Chryste Gaines
    Jon Drummond
    LaShawn Merritt
    Denis Mitchell
    Kelli White
    Torri Edwards
    Shawn Crawford
    Mike Rodgers
    Justin Gatlin
    Tyson Gay
    Mark Jelks
    Kevin Braunskill
    Antonio Pettigrew
    Michelle Collins
    Ramon Clay
    Crystal Cox
    Debbie Dunn
    Sandro Glover
    Mickey Grimes
    Alvin Harrison
    Calvin Harrison
    Floyd Heard
    Mark Jelks
    Wallace Spearmon
    Jerome Young
    Wow, that is quite a list, with numerous medallists in important championships. Of course (1) there are numerous such from other countries (2) others all around that many are sure should be on the list, but definite proof is missing. Whatever the outcome of the present case(s) is, it clearly shows what is a major problem nowadays. For a fan like myself, serious follower of TF from the mid 50s, there is often a tendency to drop interest in the sport altogether - I realize fully that the sport was never "lily-white".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:

    Tim Montgomery
    Marion Jones
    Chryste Gaines
    Jon Drummond
    LaShawn Merritt
    Denis Mitchell
    Kelli White
    Torri Edwards
    Shawn Crawford
    Mike Rodgers
    Justin Gatlin
    Tyson Gay
    Mark Jelks
    Kevin Braunskill
    Antonio Pettigrew
    Michelle Collins
    Ramon Clay
    Crystal Cox
    Debbie Dunn
    Sandro Glover
    Mickey Grimes
    Alvin Harrison
    Calvin Harrison
    Floyd Heard
    Mark Jelks
    Wallace Spearmon
    Jerome Young
    Shawn Crawford? I wasn't aware of that. Or maybe I was and forgot because so long ago. Wish I didn't see this list though. Like him (despite the cockiness).
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    Shawn Crawford had a ban in 2013 for some missed tests, at a time when he hadn't competed for almost a year. Apparently he had quit competing and following the whereabouts rules without filing the retirement paperwork first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:

    Tim Montgomery
    Marion Jones
    Chryste Gaines
    Jon Drummond
    LaShawn Merritt
    Denis Mitchell
    Kelli White
    Torri Edwards
    Shawn Crawford
    Mike Rodgers
    Justin Gatlin
    Tyson Gay
    Mark Jelks
    Kevin Braunskill
    Antonio Pettigrew
    Michelle Collins
    Ramon Clay
    Crystal Cox
    Debbie Dunn
    Sandro Glover
    Mickey Grimes
    Alvin Harrison
    Calvin Harrison
    Floyd Heard
    Mark Jelks
    Wallace Spearmon
    Jerome Young
    What about Yohan, Asafa, and Carter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post
    What about Yohan, Asafa, and Carter?
    They aren't Americans.
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    Yep, I counted Jelks twice, good spot.

    Crawford was for missed tests, and his ban was questionable because of his status. But the main point I was trying to make remains, which was you cant really blame people for assuming guilt when there has been a large number of elite US sprinters having faced bans.

    Other nations have also had banned sprinters of course. The problem for the US is that they have so many athletes that they are probably always going to have the highest number of banned sprinters.

    There are also patterns in there, around training groups, failing for specific substances that are in vogue at that time (The Clear, Modafinol etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post

    Other nations have also had banned sprinters of course. The problem for the US is that they have so many athletes that they are probably always going to have the highest number of banned sprinters.
    Many athletes AND the deepest pool of sprint talent. There's nothing remotely sensational about the number of US sprinters who have failed tests. The list of US sprinters who have (by any reasonable standard) been world class and haven't cheated - if it was ever possible to know who
    - would likewise dwarf any other nation's list of honest players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiederganger View Post
    If this is true and CC faces a ban, he will be number 28 on the list of elite international US sprinters caught for doping or missed tests:

    Tim Montgomery
    Marion Jones
    Chryste Gaines
    Jon Drummond
    LaShawn Merritt
    Denis Mitchell
    Kelli White
    Torri Edwards
    Shawn Crawford
    Mike Rodgers
    Justin Gatlin
    Tyson Gay
    Mark Jelks
    Kevin Braunskill
    Antonio Pettigrew
    Michelle Collins
    Ramon Clay
    Crystal Cox
    Debbie Dunn
    Sandro Glover
    Mickey Grimes
    Alvin Harrison
    Calvin Harrison
    Floyd Heard
    Mark Jelks
    Wallace Spearmon
    Jerome Young
    I think everyone pretty much knew that Torri's ban was BS given the substance. She served her ban just for the substance to be removed from the banned list.
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