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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    The men's and women's decathlon will never be totally equal, unless women use the same hurdle heights and throwing implements and scoring tables as men.

    The most important aspect of the equality is having 10 events. That can be accomplished without the pole vault. If the women's decathlon had the 400mh or steeplechase, nobody could accuse it of being less grueling than the men's version.
    Does that send a message that the women are less able to do the pole vault than men, at least in multi-events? I know the answer should be no since there are women who do the decathlon with the pole vault in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralmcg View Post
    Does that send a message that the women are less able to do the pole vault than men, at least in multi-events? I know the answer should be no since there are women who do the decathlon with the pole vault in it.
    How come your interpretation isn't that men can't do the 400mh or steeplechase in a decathlon?

    You're operating under the implicit sexist assumption that what the men do is the gold standard and women must copy the men, otherwise they're doing something inferior. What makes the 400mh or steeplechase an inferior event to the pole vault?

    When the decathlon was introduced in the 1912 Olympics, the poles were stiff, making them relatively cheap to produce, and the stiffness also made different poles of the same length functionally equivalent to each other, making it unnecessary for athletes or track clubs to transport their own poles to meets (they could just borrow one of the poles housed at the stadium).

    Had the designers of the decathlon known what the pole vault would become, with expensive high-tech engineered flexible poles, maybe they wouldn't have included the pole vault in the decathlon. Unless it was their intention to keep the decathlon a US-Canada-Europe hegemony, like the Olympics itself was back then, when over 80% of the competing countries and 100% of the track & field medalists were of the US, Canada, or Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    How come your interpretation isn't that men can't do the 400mh or steeplechase in a decathlon?

    You're operating under the implicit sexist assumption that what the men do is the gold standard and women must copy the men, otherwise they're doing something inferior. What makes the 400mh or steeplechase an inferior event to the pole vault?

    When the decathlon was introduced in the 1912 Olympics, the poles were stiff, making them relatively cheap to produce, and the stiffness also made different poles of the same length functionally equivalent to each other, making it unnecessary for athletes or track clubs to transport their own poles to meets (they could just borrow one of the poles housed at the stadium).

    Had the designers of the decathlon known what the pole vault would become, with expensive high-tech engineered flexible poles, maybe they wouldn't have included the pole vault in the decathlon. Unless it was their intention to keep the decathlon a US-Canada-Europe hegemony, like the Olympics itself was back then, when over 80% of the competing countries and 100% of the track & field medalists were of the US, Canada, or Europe.
    Well if there is a 400 mH or a 3000 M steeplechase in the decathlon, it would be 5 races, 3 throws, and 2 jumps. It would tip the balance in favor of running, instead of a balance between running, jumping, and trowing, at least more than it is now.

    It's selfish of me to think that the pole vault should be in the decathlon. You should ask the IAAF to replace the pole vault. To keep the number of jumps at three, the triple jump should be added, instead of another race.

    Or the IAAF could abolish the multi-events at major championships and the Olympics. Then men and women can basically be at the same level as far as events are concerned and yes I know about the different hurdles and implements for men and women.
    Last edited by ralmcg; 08-24-2019 at 04:42 PM.
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