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    Quote Originally Posted by AS View Post
    Save for the glaring omission of mentioning Raelene Boyle, who I would argue was better than Pearson. Robbed of a world record and gold medal in Munich by 0.05 seconds, 22.45 in 1972. Freeman and Pearson did not break world records, even when losing a race. And Boyle might have won the sprint double as well had certain factors not been in play.
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    The "most dominant Aussie in any event" stat is astounding - 97 performances in 100mH before 2nd best Aussie (12.82).
    Yeah, I tweeted back to Tarby about that line - Herb Elliott was undefeated at 1,500 m / mile races in his career and was certainly more dominant than Pearson. Probably correct for female Aussies.
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    But Elliott's career, as briliant as it was, was a short one. He certainly didn't get anywhere near having the 97 top Australian performances of all time.
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    comparing a hurdler (with heat and semi marks ready to pile on the ATL total) with a miler is apples & oranges.

    Pearson can't be mentioned in the same breath as Elliott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post

    Pearson can't be mentioned in the same breath as Elliott.
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    Having the top 97 times is more a reflection of the quality of the rest of the Aussie hurdles talent....
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    How many times has a reigning world champion retired? Not often, I'm sure.

    Pearson's had a great career, though! She very well might be the most successful female 100m hurdler of the 21st century. Her London OG final is one of my favourite races of all-time, with that classic duel involving her great rival Harper-Nelson.
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    #28
    A really nice tribute to Pearson, written by Aussie quartermiler Steven Solomon, appears here:

    https://www.playersvoice.com.au/stev...uw6TcT7qJTK.97
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    But Elliott's career, as briliant as it was, was a short one. He certainly didn't get anywhere near having the 97 top Australian performances of all time.
    Quite unfair. Back in Elliott's day there was no pro support, nor any funding other than a 9 - 5 job. You had to get permission to tour Europe.

    There were only the Olympics and Commonwealth games to look forward to. Your entire career was those two meets.

    Elliott was able to get way more success than many, as was Ron Clarke, but economically it was a sacrifice. My Brother had to work as a bread carter on night shift prior to his olympics in order to get acclimated to the time differences and to eat. He prepared out of season in the winter. Raelene Boyle was not allowed to go to Europe pre - Munich. The association controlled all that. She went from winter to racing Stecher. couple of weeks to knock the rust off and still almost won. Stuff was different then.

    Back when Herb was running there was always going to be a life priority. Elliott made his decision to go to Cambridge and pursue success elsewhere. He'd done everything possible in track and the only option left was to do it again.

    Sally is a wonderful competitor. A true champion. But she is from a different era. There is no need to try decide which is better. Sally couldn't run 1500 and Herb couldn't hurdle worth a darn.
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    Quite unfair. Back in Elliott's day there was no pro support, nor any funding other than a 9 - 5 job.

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    Sally is a wonderful competitor. A true champion. But she is from a different era.

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    To highlight mal's point, here are the number of Australia athletes with an international career of 8 years or more by the decade in which they started. The sum of career lengths is also included.

    The trend is clear:

    Decade Years(M) Athletes(M) Years(F) Athletes(F)
    20s 11 1 0 0
    30s 13 1 0 0
    40s 0 0 9 1
    50s 36 4 38 4
    60s 163 17 108 9
    70s 144 14 146 13
    80s 263 23 326 28
    90s 394 35 330 31
    2000s 387 36 302 26

    The athletes from the 1950's are:

    • Edward 'Ted' Allsopp (20k/50k W)
    • Albert 'Albie' Thomas (1.5k/5k/10k)
    • Ronald Crawford (20k/50k W)
    • Nicholas 'Nick' Birks (JT)


    • Michele Brown (Mason) (HJ)
    • Elizabeth 'Betty' Cuthbert (100/200/400)
    • Anna Bocson (Wojtaszek/Pazera) (JT)
    • Helen Frith (LJ/HJ/Pent)



    Data thanks to Paul Jenes et al via www.athletics.com.au
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