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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    Most versatile heptathlete : Most points in HJ+ Jav or Shot + 200 or 800.
    Translation please
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    That makes no sense. The heptathlon is more than just the javelin and high jump, and while Joyner was elite at the 3 speed events, she was undistiguished at the other 4.
    From memory her bests were something like 2:08 800, 1.93 HJ, 16.80ish SP and 50something JT. There have been very few other heptathletes who are stronger or as strong over those 4 events. Thiam might get close with a better HJ and JT but inferior 800 and SP.
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    #73
    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
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    Best performances (scored) in HJ, either JT or shot put, and either 200 or 800. 3 events point total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    Best performances (scored) in HJ, either JT or shot put, and either 200 or 800. 3 events point total.
    That would certainly be a good measure of versatility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    From memory her bests were something like 2:08 800, 1.93 HJ, 16.80ish SP and 50something JT. There have been very few other heptathletes who are stronger or as strong over those 4 events. Thiam might get close with a better HJ and JT but inferior 800 and SP.
    I never claimed Thiam was better than Joyner, nor do I deny that Joyner has a strong case for GOAT, I'm saying that her high jump/javelin combo is a greater display of versatility than Joyner's two best events (long jump/hurdles?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickstat View Post
    From memory her bests were something like 2:08 800, 1.93 HJ, 16.80ish SP and 50something JT. There have been very few other heptathletes who are stronger or as strong over those 4 events. Thiam might get close with a better HJ and JT but inferior 800 and SP.
    Ha! Some memory - they're in my first post!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    ......I'm saying that her high jump/javelin combo is a greater display of versatility than Joyner's two best events (long jump/hurdles?).
    LJ and 100 hurdles have way more in common than HJ and Javelin. What you're saying should be above dispute.
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    OTOH, JJK's marks are clearly stronger. Nafi's JT best is huge by heptathlon standards, but it barely made the seasonal list top 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    OTOH, JJK's marks are clearly stronger. Nafi's JT best is huge by heptathlon standards, but it barely made the seasonal list top 50.
    Yes and we are talking versatility.....more 200/LJ/hurdler types than the sands of the sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berkeley View Post
    In a discipline like the HJ, the skills don't transfer well to any other event. Yes, there have been HJrs who did OK in the LJ or TJ, but it's rare.
    There is a former WR holder in HJ who also held WR in 100, 220 yd, 80H, LJ and Pentathlon. She won Olympic golds in 100, 200 80H and 4x100. She did not compete in LJ or HJ at the Olympics, but she might have won them if she did.

    And IAAF declared her the female athlete of the 20th century.
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