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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuariki View Post
    The first thing the US should do is get rid of the electoral college and just have a nationwide vote where every vote is counted as an equal to every other vote. It ain’t 17 bloody 76 any more.
    A lot of Americans feel the same way.....Fat chance anytime soon....
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuariki View Post
    Totally agree with you Atticus. Even though not a US citizen, I consider my 4 years serving in the US Army as one of the best things I have done. But Trump just makes me want to vomit most of the time.
    Nothing wrong with wanting to vomit. Let it out.

    I am so proud of him and I love it when his enemies go into high dudgeon and skreech, moan and wail. They had it really good for 30 years getting everything they wanted at the tax payers expense. Check out the most wealthy zip codes, take a walk through the DC suburbs and see tax payer funded opulence, mercedes benz bumper to bumper while fly over country works 12$ /hour for a drug addled future. When leaders abandon as their first call, the rights and interests of their own citizens it is as sure as night follows day that the citizens will abandon their leaders.

    He is not someone that was a reflexive choice for middle america. But it was the utter and complete contempt that the elites in both parties have demonstrated for middle america that gave Trump an opening. He took it and so far he has not abandoned his promises like so many other career pols. So it is not that folks in fly over country just love NYC developers and TV personalities. It is just that...

    .. when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands that tie them to their elites....

    Happy Independence Day my friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    Their support of partial birth abortion.

    I do not think Democrats who support it are horrible, but I think the policy is horrible.
    Being more informed might help....

    The idea that abortion providers tear apart full-term, viable babies about to breathe has animated the right for a long time. Itís the stuff of pulp fiction, and the myth bears little resemblance to reality. In the U.S., most abortions are performed early in the first trimester. Second-term are rare and third-term abortions are rarest of all, representing around one percent of all abortion performed in the U.S. Later abortions are usually performed because a womanís health is at risk, or because of fetal nonviability. Nobody gets a third-term abortion for the hell of it. Itís an invasive, costly, and sometimes physically painful process, and women who need these procedures are usually in emotional distress over the loss of a wanted pregnancy.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...fanticide.html
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    Their support of partial birth abortion.

    I do not think Democrats who support it are horrible, but I think the policy is horrible.
    There is no such thing. No physician aborts a viable fetus in the late stages of pregnancy. Let's leave practice of medicine to physicians instead of politicians.
    "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    Good question, Flumpy. When I think of GOP Senators McConnell, Ernst, Cotton, Rubio, and others, I see people of integrity (to the degree any of us really know them).
    I agree with you about Ernst and Rubio being run-of-the-mill politicians but Cotton and McConnell have taken partisanship to another level. I can't imagine any politician of another era writing a letter to the leader of another country to undermine the sitting the President the way Cotton did and or refuse to give a SCOTUS nominee a hearing the way McConnell did. Even Robert Bork got a hearing, Then there's Trump who regularly attacks the federal judiciary, the FBI, the CIA and any other public servants who don't express unconditional devotion to him.
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    So you agree that state colleges offered free tuition.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    I agree with you about Ernst and Rubio being run-of-the-mill politicians but Cotton and McConnell have taken partisanship to another level. I can't imagine any politician of another era writing a letter to the leader of another country to undermine the sitting the President the way Cotton did and or refuse to give a SCOTUS nominee a hearing the way McConnell did. Even Robert Bork got a hearing, Then there's Trump who regularly attacks the federal judiciary, the FBI, the CIA and any other public servants who don't express unconditional devotion to him.
    Rubio was so lazy that he wasn't going to the Senate to do his job but when after his failed presidential run he realized it was the only thing he could do to make money he ran again. Ernst referred to Obama as a dictator - ha - and she said Dems were running socialist programs but her and her family have been sucking off the teat of farm subsidies for years.

    Jazz has Cotton correct and McConnell has been a devastating figure in American politics. The harm he's caused democracy will last for years. Plus, took plenty of Russian oligarch money and his wife was making deals with Chinese businessmen for her family's business while a cabinet member.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by booond View Post
    Rubio was so lazy that he wasn't going to the Senate to do his job but when after his failed presidential run he realized it was the only thing he could do to make money he ran again. Ernst referred to Obama as a dictator - ha - and she said Dems were running socialist programs but her and her family have been sucking off the teat of farm subsidies for years.

    Jazz has Cotton correct and McConnell has been a devastating figure in American politics. The harm he's caused democracy will last for years. Plus, took plenty of Russian oligarch money and his wife was making deals with Chinese businessmen for her family's business while a cabinet member.
    Actually Rubio was planning to go into the private sector to make some real money (probably on K Street) before McConnell and other Republican big wigs begged him to run for re-election lest the Republicans lose their razor-thin senate majority.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ld-job/484922/

    I've already stated how I feel about McConnell, but the double-dealing that he and his wife may be doing is no worse than the double-dealing Bill and Hillary were doing when Hillary was Secretary of State.
     

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    Ive already stated how I feel about McConnell, but the double-dealing that he and his wife may be doing is no worse than the double-dealing Bill and Hillary were doing when Hillary was Secretary of State.

    In what way may I ask?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by user4 View Post
    Nothing wrong with wanting to vomit. Let it out.

    I am so proud of him and I love it when his enemies go into high dudgeon and skreech, moan and wail. They had it really good for 30 years getting everything they wanted at the tax payers expense. Check out the most wealthy zip codes, take a walk through the DC suburbs and see tax payer funded opulence, mercedes benz bumper to bumper while fly over country works 12$ /hour for a drug addled future. When leaders abandon as their first call, the rights and interests of their own citizens it is as sure as night follows day that the citizens will abandon their leaders.

    He is not someone that was a reflexive choice for middle america. But it was the utter and complete contempt that the elites in both parties have demonstrated for middle america that gave Trump an opening. He took it and so far he has not abandoned his promises like so many other career pols. So it is not that folks in fly over country just love NYC developers and TV personalities. It is just that...

    .. when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands that tie them to their elites....

    Happy Independence Day my friends!
    Proud of that disaster? You must enjoy being lied to. Our enemies laugh their asses off at us as our friends cry. In spite of his ridiculous self-aggrandizement, zero accomplishments unless you're a multi millionaire or think locking people up without due process is American. Once someone lies to me everything they say afterwards is noise... this man is a pathological liar...I cannot even look at him. He openly profits from being president and hates the 60% who disapprove of him. Worst president in US history.
     

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