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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    What, exactly, is a stale mark? Old and out of date, I get, but stale???
    It's like a stale cheque. It exists, it has a committed value, but the athlete just cannot cash it anymore.
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    Can some give me the 'Selection for Dummies' version of how these rankings affect a nation's ability to select a team of its own choosing. Does everyone have to wait till Aug 26 to see which athletes make the cut, and then, if there's more than 3 (no byes), THEN a country gets to choose which 3?
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    Ignore my deleted post if you saw it.

    The procedure for Doha selection is exactly the same as it was for London in '17.

    The first how-many-ever who make Q-standard at USATF are on the team.

    When the Q-period ends, just as in '17, the IAAF will go down the list of marks made in that window and start issuing invites (no more than 3 per nation total, of course) to fill the field to desired size
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    When the Q-period ends, just as in '17, the IAAF will go down the list of marks made in that window and start issuing invites (no more than 3 per nation total, of course) to fill the field to desired size
    So it seems each nation can decline a higher qualifier for a lower qualifer, otherwise the USATF finish order is irrelevant.

    Is there a game to be played where a fed's choice is just off the invite list, so they decline one on the list, assuming the IAAF will extend the list further down, which will then include the fed's choice?
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    I can't swear to this, but AS I UNDERSTAND IT, for the people who are added to fill fields, the national federations are out of the picture and the IAAF does the inviting off its priority list.

    Makes perfect sense.

    If you offered it to the federation and they said no to Athlete X because Athlete Y was higher at the nationals, the IAAF wouldn't then automatically extend an invite to Y; it would extend invite to next person on its list, and the field could fill before Y was reached, so US would end up with only 2 entries instead of 3.
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    Is there a "road to Doha" list like they had for London? That was a wonderful resource.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Marcinkiewicz View Post
    Is there a "road to Doha" list like they had for London? That was a wonderful resource.
    no, the compiler got concerned about violating privacy rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    no, the compiler got concerned about violating privacy rights.
    For those with access to tilastopaja.org (I don't know if it will be free or not). Mirko Jalava plans to put something together. Whether it has all the details that road to London had remains to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    I can't swear to this, but AS I UNDERSTAND IT, for the people who are added to fill fields, the national federations are out of the picture and the IAAF does the inviting off its priority list.

    Makes perfect sense.

    If you offered it to the federation and they said no to Athlete X because Athlete Y was higher at the nationals, the IAAF wouldn't then automatically extend an invite to Y; it would extend invite to next person on its list, and the field could fill before Y was reached, so US would end up with only 2 entries instead of 3.
    Agreed. You can't trust most of the National bodies to do the right thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    I can't swear to this, but AS I UNDERSTAND IT, for the people who are added to fill fields, the national federations are out of the picture and the IAAF does the inviting off its priority list.
    I'm pretty sure that's not the case. At least it wasn't so in 2017. The invites certainly went through the national federations, and it was them who accepted or declined them. Our national fed decided not to send most of the non-Q athletes who received invitations.
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