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    I don't think they give Darwins to people who deliberately engage in well-planned and obviously risky activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    I don't think they give Darwins to people who deliberately engage in well-planned and obviously risky activities.
    Isn't that the epitome of the Darwins - folks who, through their own hubris or folly or whichever human failing that ails them, thin the herd by their own demise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    I don't think they give Darwins to people who deliberately engage in well-planned and obviously risky activities.
    A lot of these tourists aren't well planned at all...unlike real mountaineers who plan for the worse conditions...Most of these plan for the best conditions.... and if anything goes wrong...boom...
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    Again, I don't think it applies to well-planned activities like mountain climbing. Otherwise they woul be giving out dozens, maybe hundreds, of Darwins every year. I think they give them to impulsive acts that are obviously ill-advised acts like trying to drive a car over a gap in a slightly open drawbridge, or taking a selfie with a bear. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Right...another chance for the tourists to die...

    The other 8000 meter peaks aren't that easy...the thing with Everest is all the ropes the Sherpas string up ... they aren't going to do that say on Annapurna...
    So true! In fact, climbing the second highest peak on each continent is more difficult that climbing the highest. K2, another 8,000 meter summit, and the 2nd highest mountain in the world, is far more difficult and deadly than Everest. But the flip side is that you don't have lines of inexperienced climbers on the way to the summit of K2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    Yes - Manuela Di Centa won 7 Olympic medals and 2 gold medals.
    And Steve Williams also has two gold medals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    A lot of these tourists aren't well planned at all...unlike real mountaineers who plan for the worse conditions...Most of these plan for the best conditions.... and if anything goes wrong...boom...
    The major complaint is how unprepared many are. That's Darwin Central.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booond View Post
    The major complaint is how unprepared many are. That's Darwin Central.
    "Hey, I paid plenty for this - how hard can it be?"

    from current CNN article:

    More than 200 people have died on the mountain since 1922. The success rate of Mount Everest climbers is only 29%.
    Would-be climbers must obtain a permit, which cost about $11,000.
    Nepal's tourism board has issued 381 permits so far this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    However this...."When climbers choose to scale Everest, they do so understanding the perils they could encounter along the way."
    While they knew or should have known the perils of the atmospheric conditions and terrain, it's not so clear that they were informed of the size of the crowd of other people in their way. They may have expected to succeed or die on their own merits, not to be stuck for an extended time because a hundred other people aren't moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    While they knew or should have known the perils of the atmospheric conditions and terrain, it's not so clear that they were informed of the size of the crowd of other people in their way. They may have expected to succeed or die on their own merits, not to be stuck for an extended time because a hundred other people aren't moving.
    Crowds on Everest have been a thing for years...
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