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    Quote Originally Posted by AS View Post
    Or a motorbike... but it still might be against the spirit of the sport...
    Well, people do die on motorbikes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Hyberbolic chambers...
    Hyperbolic chambers are the greatest technical advantage ever invented by mankind in all of recorded and non-recorded history!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AS View Post
    The point is that drugs being (possibly) deadly isn't the only reason they're banned. The main rationale is the unfair advantage they give.
    Unfair compared to what? If anyone could use them, there would be no unfairness.

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    The grey line being debated here is around "innovations" that might render the performance levels unusually better.
    But the fact these shoes lead to improvement can't be a reason in itself to ban them. There would have to be some other rationale, e.g. if they were so prohibitively expensive few runners could obtain them, or if they were shown to cause more injuries.

    Anyway, do we really know for a fact that the shoes make you that much faster? And do they only work on roads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    Anyway, do we really know for a fact that the shoes make you that much faster? And do they only work on roads?
    The shoe company marketing departments have all assured me that 100% of performance progress since 1900 has come from their innovation in shoe design, materials and manufacture. They wouldn't just lie about something like that, would they, just to make money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Toro View Post
    Synthetic tracks were slightly different in that their development was more about ground maintenance and removing disadvantage due to variatons in surfaces.
    They still led to significant improvement. Probably even more so in the horizontal jumps than in the sprints.
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    Meanwhile....this is probably about right....

    This is the reality of elite sport now. You can’t exist in the blacks and whites of “he’s definitely doping” and “he’s definitely clean”. We just have to accept grey.

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    It's pretty obvious from the number of bans in recent years that Kenya has a doping problem. But the fact is they were winning long before the days of EPO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Toro View Post
    Using a smaller ball made of dense metal allowed the centre of mass to mover further away from the athlete, allowing greater distance, so it was reasonable to ban it.

    However, they didn't specifically ban tungsten or any other metal, rather they set the implement specifications so you could basically only use steel or brass to meet the rules.
    I suppose it was an issue of both cost and safety (if those hammer were really able to fly significantly farther).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    It's pretty obvious from the number of bans in recent years that Kenya has a doping problem. But the fact is they were winning long before the days of EPO.
    Right....as I wrote I think it's more of the Kenyans competing among themselves at this point....what are you going to do if you think all your rivals, including the Ethiopians, are doing EPO....it's not like you have much choice in a society where the average annual salary is $500...
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    NBCSN (channel 34 on Xfinity) is showing a complete replay of the race starting at 11 a.n. Pacific time!!

    Since I missed seeing it yesterday, I'll be watching!!
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