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    I don't hold any animosity towards the athlete. What I don't understand is those who definitively root for her as if they are "sticking it to the man" per se.

    What's troubling is the potential of making women's sports obsolete. If one wishes to root for that, be my guest.
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    Why not let her and Nyonsaba run and other T+ women run with women. Give them separate medals. T+ and TNormal. Sort of like a marathon with both sexes. Just add a category for T+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    Why not let her and Nyonsaba run and other T+ women run with women. Give them separate medals. T+ and TNormal. Sort of like a marathon with both sexes. Just add a category for T+.
    What about prize money? Double prize money? I don't see that happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    Just add a category for T+.
    a. there's not enough of them to be significant
    b. not all T+s are the same. Those with the most will always have the advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    I Have many of the same feelings towards semenya that trackcanut expressed. I
    Just don’t get the right vibe from her. She’s not a sympathetic character to me Athletically, and that’s what I’m at the tnf message board to chat about. Athletics.
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    Your lack of empathy is noted.
    She is not a man.
    She was born with female genitalia, so of course she has always thought she was a woman.
    For her to stand up for herself is laudable.

    Yes, WE would like her to understand that her advantage is 'unfair', but SHE is just fighting for acceptance of who she (and others) thinks she is. That is what ALL OF US DO.

    We need to see it from HER perspective, not our own.
    I get that vibe from her too, something is off and it became more palpable as the legal dramas unfolded. She's been made into a victim by so many people arguing from multiple angles (racism, capitalism, feminism, white supremacy, sexism) when what this is about is her ability to keep winning races unfairly and making money.

    I feel for the competitors who will never win a race against her. That she doesn't care about that determines my "lack of empathy" for her. She is fighting for acceptance of who she thinks she is - indeed, she thinks she is someone who deserves to race against people who are at a disadvantage, and she wants acceptance of that. How noble.

    Why do we need to see it from her perspective, when she won't see the larger perspective? We don't.
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    I don't much like the direction this thread is taking. We should be judging Semenya's case on its merit, not on whether she is likeable as a person.
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    I could be wrong, but I think everyone here has pretty much the same opinion about the merits of Semenya's case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think everyone here has pretty much the same opinion about the merits of Semenya's case.
    The majority, not everyone. But either way, whether she is a nice person or not, that should have zero bearing on her case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    The majority, not everyone. But either way, whether she is a nice person or not, that should have zero bearing on her case.
    You are correct. I have stated that I'm not fond of her, and said why, but outside of the courtroom drama and the endless legal posturing, she is someone I've never met. I just don't like what this is doing to the sport, and there's no end in sight.
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    I liken the Semenya situation to a (hypothetical) little girl rescued and adopted in a war-torn country at an early age, with no knowledge of who or where her parents are. The girl knows her own full name, but doesn't give any consistent answers about her age and doesn't seem to understand the concept. Due to her height and weight and speech level at the time, they gave her a presumed age of 4, and arranged a birth certificate based on the presumed age.

    After the war is done and the structures of society are functioning again, she grows up to be a very good athlete, dominating under-20 and under-18 competitions while at her presumed age of 17.

    Then it turns out her birth mother is still alive, and she discovers her long-lost child in the news. She brings forth compelling evidence of the relationship including a DNA match, and has medical documents of the birth and subsequent treatments to the girl to prove that the girl was actually born 20 years ago. Therefore she actually was 7 when she was rescued, just undernourished and uneducated and traumatized at the time, so she looked and talked like a 4 year old.

    The authorities of her sport move to block her from competing in under-20 and younger competitions. Instead of honorably accepting the finding of ineligibility, she gets a team of lawyers to use legal maneuvers to bully her way back into the under-18 and later the under-20 division for the next couple of years.

    Those who speak out against her competing in those divisions get blasted in the media for being racist, sexist, capitalist, socialist, every kind of -ist against this poor girl who is a brave survivor who crawled out from the rubble as a child to escape a battle zone and overcame her trauma growing up to become a great athlete.
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