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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    ...have the right to participate in sports consistent with who they are..."

    Worded so as to make it sound like someone is denying them the opportunity to be who they want to be. But you can't be 46 XY DSD and run against females without incurring an unfair advantage. Not being able to race females doesn't impede anyone's ability to live their life as transgender.
    An XY human does not have to have a DSD issue to formulate a desire to identify as female, including for the purpose of athletic competition. And I don't believe DSD is an issue for the transgender HS athletes whose cause the ACLU has taken up in the federal discrimination case brought by some female HS athletes in Connecticut.

    The ACLU project division that has taken up the CT case has other active litigation nationally involving transgender issues and most lawyers in an advocacy position are going to be reluctant to concede context-specific shades of gray. I'm sure that among the ACLU's 300-odd staff attorneys there are some with qualms about the consequences for women's sports.
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    An XY human does not have to have a DSD issue to formulate a desire to identify as female, including for the purpose of athletic competition. And I don't believe DSD is an issue for the transgender HS athletes whose cause the ACLU has taken up in the federal discrimination case brought by some female HS athletes in Connecticut.

    The ACLU project division that has taken up the CT case has other active litigation nationally involving transgender issues and most lawyers in an advocacy position are going to be reluctant to concede context-specific shades of gray. I'm sure that among the ACLU's 300-odd staff attorneys there are some with qualms about the consequences for women's sports.
    Thanks for making these important distinctions. As well, are transgender male to female athletes not 46 XY, in which case they are at the same advantage as 46XY DSD athletes? Or perhaps at an even greater advantage, depending on how much muscle mass is retained after transitioning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    Thanks for making these important distinctions. As well, are transgender male to female athletes not 46 XY, in which case they are at the same advantage as 46XY DSD athletes? Or perhaps at an even greater advantage, depending on how much muscle mass is retained after transitioning?
    To keep it neutral, I should perhaps say "same circumstance" rather than "same advantage", but, generally, yes. And there may be no physical transitioning.
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