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    A lot of the Semenya side of the case has to do with the drug taking and the effects of the drugs on the body. This testimony was meant to stir sympathy - especially the 2009-2015 personal history with the drugs. It is meant to make the IAAF look cruel and unreasonable. The CAS ruling even uses the words "reasonable and proportionate" so the testimony had some effect. People are going to feel sympathetic towards her, and there's gonna be a backlash to this sympathy and to Semenya from people who are feeling like the entire point is missed by focusing on Semenya's life experience and Semenya's optimal outcomes (that is, every other competing woman's life experience and optimal outcomes).
    This is the problem with allowing the xy DSDs with functional testes to compete as women under any circumstances. The IAAF witnesses testified the 5-ARD people are biologically indistinguishable in all relevant respects from males without DSD experience (paragraph 289). They testified the only difference is the size and shape of external genitalia that has no impact on athletic performance. The case should have been closed there and the handicapping experiment with drugs not tried.
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    If Semenya was wronged by the IAAF via the drug regimen or any other measures, the remedy should be a civil judgment or settlement as compensation for that suffering, not continued eligibility for women's events.

    Nobody would support letting a 23-year-old compete in under-20 because their sport's governing body harmed them. Or letting a 200-lb boxer fight in the 160-lb division because the promoters ripped them off. What Semenya went through, no matter how horrendous, it must not be the basis for letting XY DSD athletes compete as women.
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    I guess pretty much everyone is in agreement that allowing the athletes in question to compete on the condition that they take T-reducing drugs was a bad idea. It was probably meant as a form of compromise, but it makes no sense whichever side of the eligibility debate you're on.
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    I agree....Semenya just doesn't belong in the women's races...
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    The IAAF gets a lot of crap...but as Ross Tucker, a Semenya advocate, wrote they presented a very solid case...which the CAS agreed with...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    Instead of honorably accepting the finding of ineligibility, she gets a team of lawyers to use legal maneuvers to bully her way back into the under-18 and later the under-20 division for the next couple of years.

    Those who speak out against her competing in those divisions get blasted in the media for being racist, sexist, capitalist, socialist, every kind of -ist against this poor girl who is a brave survivor who crawled out from the rubble as a child to escape a battle zone and overcame her trauma growing up to become a great athlete.
    I see her as a bully, and the name-calling used by her supporters is a propaganda technique based in intimidation, or more bullying. No end of irony in this, when the bully plays the victim.
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    I see her as a bully, and the name-calling used by her supporters is a propaganda technique based in intimidation, or more bullying. No end of irony in this, when the bully plays the victim.
    On top of that I get the feeling with the 90% effort and all of the very masculine posturing that she’s just rubbing it in and daring people to question her. She claims to live as a woman but goes out of her way at the end of races to flex and posture very much like a man. She used 90% effort and BURIES what would otherwise be World Class women, and then rubs it in. That’s her choice, but then it’s my choice to not care for that. She does these things On The Track, so I have no problems not liking her for that. What she does at home or the mall? Whatever, but I don’t care for what she’s doing to a sport i love.
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    wow, color me blown away at all the "she's evil" stances here.
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    I’d say unlikable and evil are worlds apart. I even feel for her situation broadly, but don’t care for her actions or her action’s impact on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    wow, color me blown away at all the "she's evil" stances here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4DH...&persist_app=1
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