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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Kritzler View Post
    Noticed the CAS ruling mentions 400H and pole vault athletes with (testes/high testosterone levels). Have any athletes outside of Indian 100m and African 800m been previously mentioned ? Did I read that correctly?
    Restricted events are listed in the Regulation published today at the iaaf site:
    Restricted Events are 400m races, 400m hurdles races, 800m races, 1500m races, one mile races, and all other Track Events over distances between 400m and one mile (inclusive), whether run alone or as part of a relay event or a Combined Event. For clarity, as used in these Regulations, the term 'Restricted Event' encompasses any Combined Event that includes one or more Restricted Events, so that an athlete who is eligible under these Regulations to compete in Restricted Events is also eligible to compete in Combined Events that include Restricted Events; while an athlete who is ineligible to compete in Restricted Events is also ineligible to compete in Combined Events that include Restricted Events.
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    #42
    The Pill? Navratilova is aghast that Semenya would have to take The Pill?

    Much ado about nothing. If that's it, a lot of people need to shut up, fast.
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    #43
    "Testosterone doesn't always give athletes an edge"

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/iaaf-caste...ghts-1.5115453

    I watched it twice and couldn't determine one useful thing said about the topic. Did I miss something?
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    #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    You sure she was on T-reducing drugs at the time? My recollection is that the regime was introduced a bit later, with Semenya a non-factor in 2013-14.
    Yes
    In April 2011 IAAF set a T limit of 10nmol/L.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-2009-timeline

    Without it, there is no way Semenya would have lost to Savinova in 1:57. This is the same person who at age 18 was running 1:55 consistently and even appeared to slow down before the finish line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    "Testosterone doesn't always give athletes an edge"

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/iaaf-caste...ghts-1.5115453

    I watched it twice and couldn't determine one useful thing said about the topic. Did I miss something?
    It's pretty idiotic....if you want to destroy women's sport follow her advice...
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    #46
    Does anyone know what criteria IAAF used to come up with the list of restricted events?
    Are they saying that testosterone does not offer an unfair advantage in say the Javelin?

    Restricted Events are 400m races, 400m hurdles races, 800m races, 1500m races, one mile races, and all other Track Events over distances between 400m and one mile (inclusive), whether run alone or as part of a relay event or a Combined Event. For clarity, as used in these Regulations, the term 'Restricted Event' encompasses any Combined Event that includes one or more Restricted Events, so that an athlete who is eligible under these Regulations to compete in Restricted Events is also eligible to compete in Combined Events that include Restricted Events; while an athlete who is ineligible to compete in Restricted Events is also ineligible to compete in Combined Events that include Restricted Events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mungo man View Post
    Does anyone know what criteria IAAF used to come up with the list of restricted events?
    They used the results of this study
    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/17/1309

    CAS required proof, that T actually elevates performance. The study was able to show that for 400, 400H, 800, ht, pv

    Two problems

    1) the study was seriously flawed s. https://link.springer.com/article/10...18-019-00143-w
    2) IAAF chose to ignore pv and ht, but added 1500/mile, thus making it a lex Semenya

    Although CAS followed the IAAF's arguments, I highly doubt a Swiss federal court or the European court of human rights will uphold a decision based on that study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mungo man View Post
    Does anyone know what criteria IAAF used to come up with the list of restricted events?
    Are they saying that testosterone does not offer an unfair advantage in say the Javelin?
    They basically just listed the events where they could come up with examples of women from the 'doubtful' category doing exceedingly well. And since those athletes nearly always come from Third World countries, it's harder to find those examples in the throws, where there is little participation by the said countries.
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    #49
    If the IAAF didn't have to answer to CAS or any court, they would have excluded high-testosterone DSD athletes from all events years ago. The narrowing down to a subset of events is an effort to stand up to CAS or higher scrutiny.

    I hope the full 165-page decision will include the reasons why the hammer and PV weren't added to the list of restricted events, given that they found DSD athletes in those events with an apparent advantage. Is it because the athletes in question have already left the sport, and the IAAF feels it would be legally shaky to restrict those events when they're not involved to defend themselves? Not enough performances by them in those events? They're not medalists, so the evidence of advantage isn't strong enough to stand up to CAS?
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    #50
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...rs-ncna1000896

    "Caster Semenya is being forced to alter her body to make slower runners feel secure in their womanhood"

    "The courts decided that discriminating against some women is required for athletic competitions to be “fair” to other women."

    No, she's being made to reduce her testosterone levels in order to eradicate an unfair advantage. Her T levels discriminate against the evenness of the playing field open to entrants known as "women". The ruling has nothing to do with the egos and psychological health of the other athletes, and to suggest that is misleading. Wrestlers don't go to a heavier class to make lighter athletes feel secure in their manhood.
    Last edited by trackCanuck; 05-01-2019 at 11:04 PM.
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