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    Quote Originally Posted by moreover View Post

    This from AthletesCAN (paragraph 115), what are Canadian national female athletes thinking, "self-identification"??:
    The DSD Regulations are premised on "very rigid binary ideas about sex and gender", while the rest of the world has gradually shifted to "more nuanced recognition of gender: self-identification".
    Presumptuous arrogant and manipulative. Oh and should I add utter bullshit ? They do not speak for "the rest of the world". They don't even speak for Canadian athletes.

    Knowing when to be ashamed is nothing these people are in step with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    Presumptuous arrogant and manipulative. Oh and should I add utter bullshit ? They do not speak for "the rest of the world". They don't even speak for Canadian athletes.
    I wonder if they asked Melissa Bishop's opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    I wonder if they asked Melissa Bishop's opinion.
    She's not stupid enough to express her true feelings in public. Just look at what happened to Lynsey Sharp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    I wonder if they asked Melissa Bishop's opinion.
    They'd consider that a trivial operation. Kind of sickening some of the garbage that universities are promulgating these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    If somebody is 2 weeks too old for the cutoff of an age-restricted category (or two weeks too young, such as in masters), there's no big debate or legal battle over who possesses a material advantage from the additional two weeks of age. They just can't compete in that category, period.

    If the governing body of the sport had to use performance data to prove the advantage, it probably would be impossible to find statistically significant performance differences for that sort of difference in age.

    But if the male and female divisions are going to continue be separate and viable, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and there's more than one place where the line may be reasonably drawn. As long as the line is drawn in some zone within the universe of reasonableness, the sport's governing body shouldn't have to prove that those just over the edge of the line have advantages over athletes on the other side of the line.

    XY+male-range T should be enough to disqualify from the women's division without further ado. Attempting individualized analysis to determine which of the XY+high-T athletes have or don't have a material advantage would be like trying to determine if somebody 2 weeks over the age cutoff has an advantage. Wherever the line is drawn, proof of an advantage just isn't feasible for edge cases. Moving the line will always result in somebody just over the edge who doesn't agree with being placed on that side of the line, unless you move the line so far that everybody is on the same side of it, which effectively means the line wouldn't exist.
    Best post so far. Can close the thread with that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJay View Post
    Best post so far. Can close the thread with that one.
    Yes, except that it will have to be re-opened when the Swiss court issues a final opinion.

    (That having been said, I doubt that anything the Swiss court says will change your mind or mine about what 18.99s wrote.)
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