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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    Here's a new one. A South African law professor says that the IAAF's action against Semenya has something to do with white supremacy. What nonsense!

    http://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/whi...cs-law-expert/
    So he's a law professor. Another one. I'm so impressed. Bring out all the other lunatic academics and someone from a pseudo-psychology department who is convinced the root of the problem is white men with little dicks/ penis envy/ low T, and T envy who are driving this thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    Here's a new one. A South African law professor says that the IAAF's action against Semenya has something to do with white supremacy. What nonsense!

    http://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/whi...cs-law-expert/
    Of course...victimhood is in these days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Of course...victimhood is in these days...
    Snow White's brother. Maybe he sees himself as a savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    Snow White's brother. Maybe he sees himself as a savior.

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    As a lawyer, he is here to make $ until you feel it and he knows where the $s are hiding. It is not personal, it is just business.

    When he and his colleagues are done, SA will be a poverty stricken nightmare but he will be living in France with a fantastic score.

    As they say "he came to do good, and he did very well indeed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    And if one's position is that intersex athletes should be allowed to compete as women (without hormonal alteration), but men should not, somebody still has to decide who qualifies as intersex and who is male. The line still has to be drawn somewhere. If you don't think IAAF or CAS should draw the line, please say who and how.
    That is not difficult. That is a medical definition... intersex versus someone who was unambiguously born male.

    The easiest way is to start with the sex they were assigned at birth. Doctors are more likely to lean toward the side of assigning female than male in intersex babies.

    It is very very unlikely that anyone assigned a male sex at birth is going to actually be _so_ biologically female that most people would agree they should be able to compete in the female category of sports.

    There are intersex people who were assigned male at birth and do not feel that is the correct sex assignment. But they would be treated as transgender for sporting purposes if they wanted to compete as a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user4 View Post
    As a lawyer, he is here to make $ until you feel it and he knows where the $s are hiding. It is not personal, it is just business.

    When he and his colleagues are done, SA will be a poverty stricken nightmare but he will be living in France with a fantastic score.

    As they say "he came to do good, and he did very well indeed".
    And slandering in order to make money is evil. Nothing personal, of course, and the additional effect is to throw fuel on any fire burning in the hearts of people who feel victimized by white supremacists.

    If he is lying to make money, he's a complete asshole. Particularly given his position in a university law faculty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck
    If he is lying to make money, he's a complete asshole.
    He is an asshole regardless of his motives.
    "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
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    Quote Originally Posted by polevaultpower View Post
    That is not difficult. That is a medical definition... intersex versus someone who was unambiguously born male.
    It would still be difficult when money is on the line and lawyers get involved.

    There are various penile and testicular anomalies including but not limited to hypospadias (urethra on the underside of or at the base of the penis, sometimes accompanied with undescended testes) that some consider to be intersex. That article which claimed over 1% of the general population is intersex was using an expanded definition like that.

    Although the current medical practices would deem those individuals to be male, the medical definitions and conclusions are vulnerable to being beaten to a pulp by lawyers and social justice warriors. If medical and scientific criteria were the controlling factors, it would have been settled in 2009 that Semenya is not biologically female and must not compete in women's events. But here we are 10 years later and they're still fighting this battle.

    Wherever the line is drawn, somebody who falls just over the edge of the line will disagree with being placed on the not-female side, and they may have the legal resources to turn it into a multi-year legal battle regardless of what the medical consensus is. But that's not a reason to move the line more towards the male end. Moving the line only changes who is involved in the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pego View Post
    He is an asshole regardless of his motives.
    I agree. An entire ass, or ass whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackCanuck View Post
    And slandering in order to make money is evil. Nothing personal, of course, and the additional effect is to throw fuel on any fire burning in the hearts of people who feel victimized by white supremacists.

    If he is lying to make money, he's a complete asshole. Particularly given his position in a university law faculty.
    The human mind is gifted with the ability to see things not as they are but magically as they can be exploited. I can easily imagine that men truly practiced at the art of deception who have tasted the wealth it can bring really do believe they are doing good.

    "They came to do good, and did very well indeed."
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