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    if Taylor had added just 3cm to each phase in his PR jump he'd be the WR holder (but even with a WR by him, not sure that Saneyev doesn't remain my GOAT)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    not sure that Saneyev doesn't remain my GOAT
    If CT wins the next WC and OG, it'll be tough to keep him from GOAThood.

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    VS - 3 OG, WC-no opportunities
    CT - 2OG, 3WC

    cf. JE - 1 OG, 2 WC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    If CT wins the next WC and OG, it'll be tough to keep him from GOAThood.

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    VS - 3 OG, WC-no opportunities
    CT - 2OG, 3WC

    cf. JE - 1 OG, 2 WC
    But you conveniently left world records, other Olympic medals, and T&FN world rankings off of your list. Sanayev had 3 world records, an additional Olympic silver, and 9(!) consecutive #1 rankings. Edwards also had 3 world records, an additional Olympic silver, and 7 #1 rankings (5 consecutive). Taylor has yet to set a world record, has no other Olympic medals, and has 7 #1 rankings (5 consecutive) but is potentially still adding to those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    But you conveniently left world records, other Olympic medals, and T&FN world rankings off of your list. ...
    Yes, it's more complex than just comparing numbers of gold medals.

    You'd also have to try to compare the depth of the eras they competed in (the marks they set when they didn't win is one way) and for Edwards and Taylor their number of great marks should also come into play. For the record, Edwards has 19 of the top 100 A-T marks (17.69 or better). Taylor has 13 of the top 100 (but with time to add to that tally and bump some of Edwards' marks out of the top 100!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    But you conveniently left world records, other Olympic medals, and T&FN world rankings off of your list.
    You are correct, sir. I was summarizing the simplest set of data, for a quick overview. The rest are far out-stripped by OG/WC golds. But your point is indeed valid.
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    Here's the video of GER Laura Muller's 11.16 PB in Weinheim (she's in lane 4)

    https://www.leichtathletik.de/tv/vid...t-und-wm-norm/

    She is primarily a 200/400 woman, qualifying for the 200 in London 2017 - although she DNS due to a bug - and 200 in Berlin 2018. As I said earlier, she was their MVP at the World Relays.

    Her progression Year/Age - 100/200/400

    2015/19 - 11.54/23.49/52.33
    2016/20 - 11.37/22.81/51.69
    2017/21 - 11.36/22.65/52.04
    2018/22 - 11.26/22.87/52.24
    2019/23 - 11.16/ 0.0 /52.75

    She is apparently running a leg on the 4x1 this weekend in Rehlingen

    She has been pushed more towards the 400m as that is where GER is lacking, but her times show she may be better off doing the 100/200. Her form is terrific, no lateral movement at all, you can clearly see how composed her technique is compared to her rivals. Good stride length too. She does lean forward maybe too much, but it's great for a 400m runner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriella2 View Post
    Here's the video of GER Laura Muller's 11.16 PB in Weinheim (she's in lane 4)

    https://www.leichtathletik.de/tv/vid...t-und-wm-norm/

    She is primarily a 200/400 woman, qualifying for the 200 in London 2017 - although she DNS due to a bug - and 200 in Berlin 2018. As I said earlier, she was their MVP at the World Relays.

    Her progression Year/Age - 100/200/400

    2015/19 - 11.54/23.49/52.33
    2016/20 - 11.37/22.81/51.69
    2017/21 - 11.36/22.65/52.04
    2018/22 - 11.26/22.87/52.24
    2019/23 - 11.16/ 0.0 /52.75

    She is apparently running a leg on the 4x1 this weekend in Rehlingen

    She has been pushed more towards the 400m as that is where GER is lacking, but her times show she may be better off doing the 100/200. Her form is terrific, no lateral movement at all, you can clearly see how composed her technique is compared to her rivals. Good stride length too. She does lean forward maybe too much, but it's great for a 400m runner.
    Really smooth and gets a little long as she's heading to the line as you say but very composed. German women have raced fast at home before and been unable to recreate those times elsewhere so interesting to see what she gets done this year.

    When will Pinto, Luckenkemper and Hasse open individually?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriella2 View Post
    Here's the video of GER Laura Muller's 11.16 PB in Weinheim (she's in lane 4)

    https://www.leichtathletik.de/tv/vid...t-und-wm-norm/

    She is primarily a 200/400 woman, qualifying for the 200 in London 2017 - although she DNS due to a bug - and 200 in Berlin 2018. As I said earlier, she was their MVP at the World Relays.

    Her progression Year/Age - 100/200/400

    2015/19 - 11.54/23.49/52.33
    2016/20 - 11.37/22.81/51.69
    2017/21 - 11.36/22.65/52.04
    2018/22 - 11.26/22.87/52.24
    2019/23 - 11.16/ 0.0 /52.75

    She is apparently running a leg on the 4x1 this weekend in Rehlingen

    She has been pushed more towards the 400m as that is where GER is lacking, but her times show she may be better off doing the 100/200. Her form is terrific, no lateral movement at all, you can clearly see how composed her technique is compared to her rivals. Good stride length too. She does lean forward maybe too much, but it's great for a 400m runner.
    Thank you for this unredacted Muller Report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Victor Saneyev would then like a word with them both!
    They can have all the words they want, my vote still goes to CT! Of course, like I have said in the past, I am an un-apologetic USA homer when it comes to T&F
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster View Post
    Really smooth and gets a little long as she's heading to the line as you say but very composed. German women have raced fast at home before and been unable to recreate those times elsewhere so interesting to see what she gets done this year.

    When will Pinto, Luckenkemper and Hasse open individually?
    Yes, very smooth. I like her style of running!

    In terms of international competition, she will now race the individual 100m in Rehlingen on Sunday, not just the 4x100. (which is interesting as she has been on holiday the last week lying on a beach!) She will face Semoy Hackett, so that will be interesting to see how she fares: Hackett ran 11.56 two months ago back at the start of April, and of course is an 11.07/22.51 runner at best, so it should be a good match up for Muller to test herself, rather than go straight in with the big girls over 100m.

    Muller's last five 100m PBs have all been set in Weinheim (!!), which is known to be a fast track. So, depending on conditions, if she can run another 11.1 then we know it's 'real'. Her 11.16 this year was with 0.0 wind, so with a >1.0 following wind in theory she should be running 11.0+. We will see though.

    **EDITE** - Have just been reminded that Rehlingen tends to have headwinds, so will likely not be as fast

    She has the Q for Doha in the 100m in the bag, but is a second off the 400m Q (still early season, I know) so, unless another 3 GER women run under 11.24, she could be running the 100 in Doha!

    On the other women, I am not sure when they open, but none are in Rehlingen. Luckenkemper & Hasse both ran at the World Relays as you know, so they're opening slightly later. Not sure what Pinto's plans are but she had a niggle earlier in the season. For me, Hasse is just going backwards and shouldn't be in the team.
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