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    sub-16:00 4 x Mile for Ducks?
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    No American team has ever averaged sub-4:00 for teh whole race (1 Irish and 2 Kiwi teams have).

    this was Oregon at the Sander meet: **Mick Stanovsek 3:57.90, ***Reed Brown 3:59.05, ***Cooper Teare 3:59.29, Sam Prakel 3:58.73r
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    The idea of a Collegiate Men's sub-16 was planned for the Penn Relays 2 or 3 years ago!
    But Ed Cheserek, the Ducks anchor, decided to play "STOP running!" with Jordan Williamsz of Villanova!
    There went the sub-16!
    (They were on pace through 3rd leg!)

    IF these 4 RUN the entire distance, they definitely can do it!!
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    I think "on pace" is making some assumptions. Oregon was at 12:04.4 through three legs. I think it's pretty tough to hang an expectation that anyone was running a 3:55.5 anchoring.

    Oregon has had shots in this event at other times as well including a team which included Centrowitz, Wheating and Rupp in '09 which is the current Penn record.

    Chances are it is a bit tougher to accomplish than writing numbers down on a piece of paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    I think "on pace" is making some assumptions. Oregon was at 12:04.4 through three legs. I think it's pretty tough to hang an expectation that anyone was running a 3:55.5 anchoring.

    Oregon has had shots in this event at other times as well including a team which included Centrowitz, Wheating and Rupp in '09 which is the current Penn record.

    Chances are it is a bit tougher to accomplish than writing numbers down on a piece of paper.
    Right....I remember watching and didn't recall the nonsense of being on pace for sub 16....

    As for the present team....the margin for error is practically zero....if a team of Rupp, Centrowitz, and Wheating couldn't do it...

    And that Irish team....

    1 15:49.08 Ireland 1 Dublin 17.08.1985
    Eamonn Coghlan (4:00.2) 24.11.52 IRL
    Marcus O'Sullivan (3:55.3) 22.12.61 IRL
    Frank O'Mara (3:55.6) 17.07.60 IRL
    Ray Flynn (3:56.98) 22.01.57 IRL
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    A sub-16 at that point might have been tough--though Ches was thought to have the kind of ability to pull off a 3:55!
    But the Meet Record was still very much in play!
    That is Michigan's 16:04.54 from 2005.
    A Meet Record would have been nice---for their TEAM!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotDutra5 View Post
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    Chances are it is a bit tougher to accomplish than writing numbers down on a piece of paper.
    So true. Not the least of which is the greater chance of running solo on the 2nd, 3rd, and anchor legs. Or having two teams way ahead, and therefore running a tactical race with one other runner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronk View Post
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    But the Meet Record was still very much in play!
    That is Michigan's 16:04.54 from 2005.
    A Meet Record would have been nice---for their TEAM!!
    That may be true, but a victory is even nicer for the team.
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    It was indicated that Stanovsek is (or at least was) a walk-on. Good on him.
    And he was a totally new name to me when I read the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    Oregon has had shots in this event at other times as well including a team which included Centrowitz, Wheating and Rupp in '09 which is the current Penn record.
    Those three Americans all ran sub 4, but the one foreigner, Shadrack Biwott only ran 4:05.
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    At Saturday's Camel City Meet in Winston-Salem, on a 200m flat track, Virginia Tech had a quartet average under 4:01, all in the same race: 3:59.57, 3:59.59, 4:00.21, and , 4:03.55.

    Pl Name Affiliation Seed Time
    1 Cheserek, Edward Skechers 3:52.01 3:53.85
    2 Chelimo, Paul US Army 3:58.59
    3 Wynne, Henry Brooks Beasts 3:58.74 3:58.80
    4 Engels, Craig Nike Oregon Project 3:57.35 3:58.81
    5 Ciattei, Vincent SR Virginia Tech 4:01.04 3:59.57
    6 Joseph, Patrick SR Virginia Tech 4:04.89 3:59.59
    7 Gourley, Neil SR Virginia Tech 3:59.58 4:00.21
    8 Manzano, Leo Hoka One One 3:50.64 4:03.10
    9 Zarate, Diego SO Virginia Tech 4:02.72 4:03.55
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