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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    That was not the point of his demonstration.
    Whatever his point was, it's easily dismissed and forgotten if he's doing it in a private gym and not official competition. If he entered a series of women's competitions across the country, winning numerous gold medals and trophies (and depriving the women of such along the way), he would have a much better chance of generating the type of reactions that make more people acknowledge how absurd it is to let him and other born males compete with women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18.99s View Post
    And these days they don't require the surgery, so somebody who isn't frequently tested could be living with full-blown testicular-generated testosterone for most of the year.
    But if you reach world-class level, you are going to be tested frequently.
    Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...
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    #83
    Here's a long piece on MTF (male-to-female) transgender athletes and performance advantages:

    https://sportsscientists.com/2019/03...ce-advantages/
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    Yep, llloooonnggg... and we wind up right where we started.
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    #85
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    Here's a long piece on MTF (male-to-female) transgender athletes and performance advantages:

    https://sportsscientists.com/2019/03...ce-advantages/
    The article talks about “falling into the female range”.

    This for me is the crux of the problem. A man doesn’t ever get to fall into the female range because the range is, or should be, limited to females.

    Chopping your gonads off and // or taking an IOC encouraged and recommended regime of drugs, does not and will never make you a female.

    And I still find the hypocrisy astounding the drug taking Ben Johnson (and many others) is a drug cheat, and the likes of NZs Laurel Hubbard is an honest broker. They are all cheating if they take drugs.
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    Hear! Hear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuariki
    A man doesn’t ever get to fall into the female range because the range is, or should be, limited to females.
    Why is this simple fact so hard to accept by so many people?
    "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
    by Thomas Henry Huxley
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    #89
    Why aren't the advocates of men competing as women referred to as "sex-deniers"?
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    It happened in powerlifting, but this federation isn't letting the same thing happen like what Hubbard did in weightlifting...

    https://rawpowerlifting.com/wp-conte...nt-05.2019.pdf
    On Saturday April 27th, the lifter exceeded the current female World Records in this lifter’s age and weight category. This automatically calls for Drug Testing protocol which takes place at the end of every event. The Drug Testing Coordinator for this event performed the drug test at which time it was revealed that this female lifter was actually a male in the process of becoming a Transgender female.
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    Since the lifter’s gender classification for the purpose of our rules is not consistent with female, no female records will be broken by these lifts.

    The lifter was uncontested during the event therefore no female lifters were denied a place finish. The lifter will be placed in a different category once the Transgender Division is introduced with a new policy.
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