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    Whatya think of the moving ball issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    Whatya think of the moving ball issue?
    Talk about a tempest in a teapot. Golf loves that it's THE gentleman's game, where everyone tattles on himself, but Johnson CORRECTLY called that a non-issue, but then the Grand Poobahs had to get their geezerly .00002 cents in. Whatever. He still won.

    Tweet from Jordan Spieth:
    "Lemme get this straight.. DJ doesn't address it. It's ruled that he didn't cause it to move. Now you tell him he may have? Now? This a joke?"

    Tweet from Rory McIlroy
    "This is ridiculous... No penalty whatsoever for DJ. Let the guy play without this crap in his head. Amateur hour from @USGA."
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    I'm waiting for Bill's comments but my thought that the compelling evidence is "what else could have caused the ball to move" to be evidence I wouldn't want used on me.
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    He probably caused the ball to move. However, I thought it was ridiculous the way the USGA handled it. Once the referee, who was there, gives the ruling, I think that should be final and no penalty should have been given. I hate these television re-plays looked at by 1,000s of people 2 hours later.

    The way golf greens are now, with greens Stimping up around 14, it doesn't take much for a ball to wobble a little bit. You might have heard Nicklaus talking about Oakmont in 1962 - he said all the pros thought they were very fast, and they probably Stimped at about 9-10. I'm not sure, in the 1970s, I ever played on greens faster than 11 - maybe 12 at the 1973 US Amateur (Inverness), which were the fastest greens I ever played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    He probably caused the ball to move. However, I thought it was ridiculous the way the USGA handled it. Once the referee, who was there, gives the ruling, I think that should be final and no penalty should have been given. I hate these television re-plays looked at by 1,000s of people 2 hours later.

    The way golf greens are now, with greens Stimping up around 14, it doesn't take much for a ball to wobble a little bit. You might have heard Nicklaus talking about Oakmont in 1962 - he said all the pros thought they were very fast, and they probably Stimped at about 9-10. I'm not sure, in the 1970s, I ever played on greens faster than 11 - maybe 12 at the 1973 US Amateur (Inverness), which were the fastest greens I ever played.
    Are greens faster due to lawn mower technology or because the golfing powers want them faster? Or both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    He probably caused the ball to move. However, I thought it was ridiculous the way the USGA handled it. Once the referee, who was there, gives the ruling, I think that should be final and no penalty should have been given. I hate these television re-plays looked at by 1,000s of people 2 hours later.

    The way golf greens are now, with greens Stimping up around 14, it doesn't take much for a ball to wobble a little bit. You might have heard Nicklaus talking about Oakmont in 1962 - he said all the pros thought they were very fast, and they probably Stimped at about 9-10. I'm not sure, in the 1970s, I ever played on greens faster than 11 - maybe 12 at the 1973 US Amateur (Inverness), which were the fastest greens I ever played.
    Everybody who has never heard the word Stimp before, please raise your hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    Everybody who has never heard the word Stimp before, please raise your hand!
    We've used it HERE before. It's very much akin to the rating scale for tracks (how high the ball bearing bounces!). Both are measurements of 'speed'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    We've used it HERE before. It's very much akin to the rating scale for tracks (how high the ball bearing bounces!). Both are measurements of 'speed'.
    Actually Atticus, the ball bearing bounces measures the coefficient of restitution of the track, i.e., how bouncy it is. The Stimpmeter is a measure of the green's rolling friction, which is quite different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    Actually Atticus, the ball bearing bounces measures the coefficient of restitution of the track, i.e., how bouncy it is. The Stimpmeter is a measure of the green's rolling friction, which is quite different.
    Yes, we've discussed that here also. I was referring to the fact that both things measure 'speed' in their sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam1729 View Post
    . . . they probably Stimped at about 9-10.
    Learn new stuff around here all the time. I'm obviously not a golfer or much of a fan (sorry bambam), never heard of Stimping or Stimpmeters before. Interestingly simple system.
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