Jenner to appear on SI wearing only gold medal and US flag

[tandfman]

There's an interesting op-ed piece on the NY Times website relating to the fact that women live longer than men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/o...h-crisis-.html

It includes this observation:

Sex differences in hormones, immunity and genes offer possible explanations for why relatively healthy males die while their less healthy female counterparts survive. Testosterone is not only associated with risk-taking and violence, but it also appears to introduce physiological harms, since castrated males live a decade or two longer than intact ones.

Good news for Chrystie, eh?

[Atticus]

Testosterone is not only associated with risk-taking and violence, but it also appears to introduce physiological harms, since castrated males live a decade or two longer than intact ones.

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but to me there are some things worse than death. Just sayin'.

[Bruce Kritzler]

"castrated males live a decade or two longer than intact ones"

Imagine that is a pretty small sample size.

[tandfman]

I'm also suspicious of "a decade or two". That doesn't sound very precise, does it?

[wamego relays champ]

"castrated males live a decade or two longer than intact ones"

Imagine that is a pretty small sample size.

I'm also suspicious of "a decade or two". That doesn't sound very precise, does it?

This reference in the NY Times story is linked to a 2012 Washington Post story about a study (of 81 Korean eunuchs) that found a difference of 14.4 - 19.1 years.

Story and study linked below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/new-study-highlights-the-role-of-testosterone-in-longevity/2012/10/01/705f9acc-0724-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_story.html

https://www.cell.com/current-biology...822(12)00712-9

[xw]

…worth cutting 'em off!

[tandfman]

Not to everyone!

[lonewolf]

The question is: Why would a man want to live an extra 20 years as a neutered male?

[tandfman]

Obviously, most men would not. If that information has any relevance at all (assuming it's true), it's that it could influence men who are questioning their gender and--even more--men who have decided to become women but haven't yet decided to undergo that surgery. All alien thought processes to most of us, but I would expect that the few who are facing that predicament would consider the potential benefit from the surgery as a factor in their decision-making.

[bambam1729]

This reference in the NY Times story is linked to a 2012 Washington Post story about a study (of 81 Korean eunuchs) that found a difference of 14.4 - 19.1 years.

Story and study linked below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/new-study-highlights-the-role-of-testosterone-in-longevity/2012/10/01/705f9acc-0724-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_story.html

https://www.cell.com/current-biology...822(12)00712-9

I find that stat hard to believe. The average male in first-world countries lives about 78-80 years so that would be living somewhere between 92-99 years on the average which is absurd. You could say that without the eunuchs the average male would live only 71-73 years and the eunuchs then 85-92 but even that is absurd. Further, the eunuch sample had to be pretty small compared to the non-eunuchs so it should not affect the stats of the overall sample that much. Remember that Mark Twain said there are 3 types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Also, you should know that 79.34% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Did you ever hear that castration is considered a eunuch experience?