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    History of Freshman Competing in NCAA Championship
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    Did freshman always compete in the NCAA Championship meet?
    I remember the IC4A cross country championship having a freshman race during the 1960s. In researching I'm currently doing I'm noticing that in the 1950s and 1960s there were no freshman finalist in the NCAA 100 during this period.
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    The NCAA had a proscription against frosh basically from the beginning (1921). That was lifted for several years during WWII because of personnel shortages and again in '52 because of OT considerations.

    After that there are no frosh until '68 or '69 (don't have time to look it up), although not all Conferences followed suit the same year.
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    I remember Gerry Lindgren didn't win 4 NCAA XC Championships because he couldn't run it his frosh year at WSU.
    He was a frosh in the '64-'65 season.

    I also remember T&FN in those days-----when it HAD lists in the magazine!!----had separate lists for Collegiate frosh.
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    The NCAA vote to permit freshmen to compete on varsity teams was taken in January, 1968 and was effective immediately, so athletes who were freshmen in the 1967-68 academic year could have competed in the '68 NCAA championships.

    (Thank you, Mr. G.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    The NCAA vote to permit freshmen to compete on varsity teams was taken in January, 1968 and was effective immediately, so athletes who were freshmen in the 1967-68 academic year could have competed in the '68 NCAA championships.

    (Thank you, Mr. G.)
    Not all conferences followed suit, as GH points out, including the IC4A. IC4A frosh didn't begin competing at NCAA track champs until 1970 at the earliest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj View Post
    Not all conferences followed suit, as GH points out, including the IC4A. IC4A frosh didn't begin competing at NCAA track champs until 1970 at the earliest.
    At the Naval Academy, freshmen (plebes) were not allowed on Varsity teams until 1971/72. I don't know if that was a Naval Academy rule, or Conference rule.
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    I think it was an NCAA rule.

    The most famous example of frosh exclusion was the legendary pre-season UCLA basketball game in which Lew Alcindor and his 1st year team destroyed the Bruin varsity (defending national champions) but none of the frosh could play on the varsity team.

    As a California junior college athlete in the mid-1960's our team schedule included meets against Stanford and USC frosh teams every year. Their frosh were barred from running against varsity competitors but for some reason it was OK to compete with 2-year colleges. Ironic because some of our JC athletes were military vets and other assorted way older guys!
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    The UCLA Basketball example is classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobguild76 View Post
    At the Naval Academy, freshmen (plebes) were not allowed on Varsity teams until 1971/72. I don't know if that was a Naval Academy rule, or Conference rule.
    This was the rule in the Heptagonal Games Association (back then the Ivies plus Army and Navy.) And when freshmen were first allowed to compete, that change did not cover all sports, as freshmen football in the Ivies continued for almost another 15-20 years.
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    I know of several athletes (track) who competed in mid 60s but not allowed to participate in NCAA meets - they were/are kind of bitter as they were good enough to have an impact at that level. I would imagine they weren't the only guys of that ilk
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