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    All-Time Collegiate Elite 4x100 Relay Club
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    As of today, there have been 26 sub-38.50 men's 4x100 relay performances by eight schools. Here's a list of each school's number of performances:

    • LSU - 8 (1998, 2002[2], 2006, 2008, 2012, 2016[2])

      TCU - 3 (1986, 1989, 1998)

      Florida - 3 (2000, 2011, 2014)

      Arkansas - 3 (2005, 2015, 2016)

      Auburn - 3 (2012, 2017[2])

      Texas A&M - 2 (2011, 2014)

      Houston - 2 (2016, 2017)

      South Carolina - 1 (2000)

      North Carolina A&T - 1 (2017)


    On the women's side, there have been 88 sub-43.00 women's 4x100 relay performances by seven schools. Here's the list:

    • Texas A&M - 28 (2008[4], 2009[5], 2010[3], 2011[4], 2012[3], 2013[3], 2014, 2015, 2016[3], 2017)

      LSU - 28 (1989, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2003[3], 2004[2], 2006, 2008[4], 2011[2], 2012[3], 2015, 2016[2], 2017[6])

      Texas - 8 (1991, 1998, 1999[2], 2003, 2005, 2006[2])

      Oregon - 8 (2016 [4], 2017[4])

      Florida - 7 (2015[3], 2016, 2017 [3])

      Kentucky - 3 (2015, 2017 [2])

      USC - 2 (2006, 2016)

      Alabama - 2 (2017)

      Florida State - 1 (1983)

      South Carolina - 1 (2003)


    Thanks to houstonian for the data that he provided last year in this thread:

    http://trackandfieldnews.com/discuss...ht=texas+4x100
    Last edited by jazzcyclist; 06-20-2017 at 03:18 PM. Reason: update
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    Thanks for lists. I am glad someone else enjoys this stuff.
    It occurs to me that we might ought to make the Men's list sub 38.60, since it is clear 38.50 is much better equivalently, than 43.00, by a factor of more than 2.

    Also, a few revisions need to be made to the women's side:
    When i wrote thread (6/11/14), A&M had not yet run 42.80 at ncaa 2014, so that effort was not in the totals. NCAA 2014 brought them to 23. So, including last week's 42.61, the Aggies are at 24.
    Texas' women have 8 sub 43's, not 2.
    South Carolina was omitted - they have 1. (I assume "USC" means Southern California. 1 is correct for them)
    Florida State, the very first team under 43.00, was omitted - they also have 1.
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    Thanks for pointing out my errors. I don't know how I got Texas wrong, I knew they had more than two. However, I think I'm right on Texas A&M. I've editing the OP to include years. If you can point out to me which year I missed a Texas A&M performance, I'll gladly add it. I have it all in an EXCEL spreadsheet.
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    The aggies have definitely have 24. You shorted them somewhere. (I know not where).

    Here you go:
    4 X 100 RELAY
    42.36 CARTER, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 6/12/09 1) FAYETTEVILLE, ARK.
    42.49 TARMOH, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 5/29/10 1) AUSTIN
    42.56 TARMOH, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 4/03/10 1) AUSTIN
    42.56 STEWART, PURVIS, K BROWN, COLLIER 3/30/13 1) AUSTIN
    42.59 ADEOTI, LUCAS, FACEY, GEORGE 6/13/08 1) DES MOINES, IA.
    42.61 MADU, PURVIS, K BROWN, A BROWN 5/16/15 1) STARKVILLE, MS.
    42.69 GEORGE, LUCAS, FACEY, MAYO 4/25/08 2) PHILADELPHIA, PA.
    42.80 CARTER, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 5/30/09 1) NORMAN, OKLA.
    42.80 MADU, PURVIS, K BROWN, EKPONÉ 6/14/14 1) EUGENE, ORE.
    42.82 TARMOH, LUCAS, DUNCAN, BEARD 6/12/10 1) EUGENE, ORE.
    (10)
    42.82 STEWART, EKPONÉ, DUNCAN, COLLIER 6/09/12 *2) DES MOINES, IA.
    42.84 STEWART, PURVIS, K BROWN, COLLIER 6/05/13 1P) EUGENE, ORE.
    42.87 COLLIER, TARMOH, DUNCAN, BEARD 4/09/11 1) AUSTIN
    42.88a ADEOTI, LUCAS, FACEY, MAYO 5/19/08 1) BOULDER, COLO.
    42.88 STEWART, PURVIS, K BROWN, COLLIER 6/08/13 1) EUGENE, ORE.
    42.90 MAYO, TARMOH, DUNCAN, COLLIER 5/15/11 1) NORMAN, OKLA.
    42.90 STEWART, EKPONÉ, DUNCAN, COLLIER 6/06/12 1P) DES MOINES, IA.
    42.91 CARTER, LUCAS, GEORGE, MAYO 4/04/09 2) AUSTIN (invite section Tx Rel)
    42.93 CARTER, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 6/10/09 1) FAYETTEVILLE, ARK.
    42.93 MAYO, TARMOH, DUNCAN, COLLIER 6/11/11 2) DES MOINES, IA.
    (20)
    42.97 ADEOTI, LUCAS, FACEY, MAYO 4/05/08 1) AUSTIN
    42.97a CARTER, LUCAS, DUNCAN, MAYO 5/17/09 1) LUBBOCK
    42.99 MAYO, TARMOH, DUNCAN, COLLIER 6/08/11 1P1) DES MOINES, IA.
    42.99 STEWART, EKPONÉ, DUNCAN, COLLIER 5/13/12 1) MANHATTAN, KS.

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    I've found the discrepancy. I used the IAAF's annual Top Lists to compile my data, but I guess you can't even take the IAAF's own website as the gospel, because, as you can see, they omitted Texas A&M's 42.90 from the 2011 Big 12 Championships.

    http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists...en/senior/2011

    However, the Big 12's 2011 Meet Results clearly show that Texas A&M won with a time of 42.90.

    http://www.deltatiming.com/events/20...al-results.pdf

    Thanks houstonian. I've made the correction, and I will continue to update this thread as the season progresses. Considering the fact that at the SEC Championships last week, it marked the first time that four schools had ever run under 43 in the same race, I have a hunch that I'll be updating the OP a few times over the next three weeks.
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    What does this data tell us?
    For the 4x100 relay, it appears 38.60 is equivalent to 43.00
    38.50 is equivalent to 42.90 (perhaps 42.86).
    Mathematically, we could derive a pretty exact equivalent. I just do not know how to precisely do that.

    I find equivalent marks instructive....

    Good stuff!
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    A few notable observations:

    • 1) Men's teams that are not in the club - USC, UCLA, Tennessee
      2) Women's teams that are not in the club - UCLA, Central Florida
      3) Two coaches are responsible for 71% of the performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    A few notable observations:

    • 1) Men's teams that are not in the club - USC, UCLA, Tennessee
      2) Women's teams that are not in the club - UCLA, Central Florida
      3) Two coaches are responsible for 71% of the performances.

    Your post makes me more than uneasy.
    Man, do we have different mind sets.
    There really isn't "a club". You can try to make one, I suppose.
    UCLA has never remotely been a 4x100 player -- ever. Very strange that you choose them among the few to single out, for what purpose exactly? To designate them as underachievers??
    If we were going to be real about underachievement, we could do much better than the list you came up with.

    UCLA would never in a million years be in anyone's 4x100 discussion, despite their omission from your "club". Despite their non-membership in the 38.49 club, USC is the unquestioned locus of 4x100 collegiate achievement. After all, even LSU has never set a world record in the event. The Trojans historical weight of actual accomplishment -- well, it just boggles the mind.

    Even stranger, is UCF's inclusion in your implication of underachievement. To be fair, their participation simply does not have any historical density (have been in two or three NCAA finals) They do not qualify for failure discussions either. In fact, I would go the other way. They would make my all-time overachiever list, with Northwest Louisiana (and others). You have the strangest editorial viewpoints.

    Finally, if you think two coaches trained "71%" of the marks, you are seriously out of touch. At least 5 coaches are responsible for the "71%" of marks you cite.
    There is an agenda here, lurking somewhere..............
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    You're right houstonian. We do have different mindsets because I can't relate to where you're coming from. Also, you're seriously projecting because I sure as hell don't have the agenda that you're accusing me of.

    It's a fact that USC has never run a sub-38.50, not opinion. And though many of the Trojan program's best years predate the prevalence of synthetic tracks, they had some good talent during the synthetic track era too. The reason I didn't include Tennessee State on this list is because all of their glory years took place in the cinder track era, and even more importantly, before Title IX. The fact that those cinder-era teams never ran sub-38.50 and sub-43.00 respectively in no way diminishes their greatness.

    However, in 2012 and 2013, Central Florida had perhaps the greatest collection of footspeed ever assembled and they failed to crack 43.00. IMO, that's notable, despite that program's lack of history. Also, it is a fact that two "head coaches" were responsible for 71% of the performances, not opinion. I don't understand why that observation upset you so much. If you want to extend credit to assistant coaches and expand that number from two to five, six or seven, I'm okay with that, but my original statement was accurate.

    If we're going to have a discussion about the greatest college 4x100 relay teams of all times, certainly the USC men, the San Jose State men and the Tennessee State women belong in it, but they aren't members of the elite club as described in the OP. Perhaps I should have also included the Houston men on my list of notables.

    I'm willing to expand the list to the sub-38.60 club, but I don't know a sure way to include everybody. Besides USC, Alabama and Houston, what other schools would be added to the list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    We do have different mindsets because I can't relate to where you're coming from. Also, you're seriously projecting because I sure as hell don't have the agenda that you're accusing me of.

    It's a fact that USC has never run a sub-38.50, not opinion.

    However, in 2012 and 2013, Central Florida had perhaps the greatest collection of footspeed ever assembled and they failed to crack 43.00. Also, it is a fact that two "head coaches" were responsible for 71% of the performances, not opinion. I don't understand why that observation upset you so much.

    I'm willing to expand the list to the sub-38.60 club, but I don't know a sure way to include everybody. Besides USC, Alabama and Houston, what other schools would be added to the list?
    Sorry for the delay. I forgot my password.

    All accurate points you make, which i really respect.
    I will attempt to clarify mine. I admire UCF and Northwest Louisiana profoundly because there is no way in hell that such a collection of speed should ever be at those schools, given human nature and the nature of recruiting (gravitation toward "name schools"). I see it as profound vision, outkickng their recuiting coverage AND superb coaching by Caryl Smith and Leon Johnson respectively. Props was the intent -- sort of like a nation of 250,000 winning 4x100 gold in the Olympic Games.

    I have no problem with the head coach statement, because it is fact. You simply did not say that at first. When you say "coach", that implies to me the person who is actually training the group day-to-day, developing the marks, etc.

    As to your idea, I think it excellent. I think you could go either way. I can not think of any sub 38.60 that you have mentioned other than the Hogs this past weekend.
    I will try to search also.

    It might be easier to compare the sub 38.50 list to the sub 42.90 list since you already have that compiled and they are more comparable marks. that would work too.

    also, here is a somewhat complete list of men's 4x100 ncaa achievement historically:

    the numbers are:
    finals appearances/titles/cumulative points using current scoring system(10,8,6,5,4,3,2,1)

    LSU 24/8/168
    USC 25/9/156
    TCU 24/7/139
    Texas A&M 17/2/99
    Tennessee 18/2/96
    Florida 17/6/94
    Florida State 14/2/68
    Arizona State 14/-/58
    Clemson 12/-/57
    Auburn 13/-/53
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    UCLA 12/1/49
    Arkansas 9/2/44 (vacate 04 and 05??)
    Rice 7/-/36
    San Jose State 4/2/34
    Houston 9/1/30

    Texas 8/-/23
    Oregon 5/-/15
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