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    Re: The 3 best performances of WC are of BOLT
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    Mump. You may well be right but they make as much sense as anything else, and probably more so, dare it be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumboElliott
    [Bolt wasn't the first person to lop a huge chunk off the World Record. Carl Lewis took more than a tenth of a second off the sea level record. The scoring tables should have been adjusted as soon as people started breaking 9.95 at sea level with some regularity.
    Wrong - the most Lewis took off the sea level "WR" was 0.03, which he did twice (sorry, see edit) Progression was this (99% sure..):

    Hayes 10.06 1964
    Hines 10.03 1968
    Leonard 10.03 1977
    Sandford 10.02 1978
    Lewis 10.00 1981 and 1982
    Lewis 9.97 1983
    Smith 9.97 1983
    Lattany 9.96 1984
    Lewis 9.93 1987 - Rome

    Edit - then 0.04 from Burrell's 9.90 in Tokyo 91
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    The reality is that Bolt improved WR in 1 year same that 17 years before that him(9.74-9.58 , 9.90-9.74)
    It is very important.
    And in a big championship only Gay with 9.71 in Berlin or Blake with his 9.75 in London got great times recently.
    Gatlin perhaps without raining and good wind positive in Moscow too would be there, but not more.

    Bolt got in his event a margin that never was imagined
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    One of the big problems with the table is that it doesn't take into account technical innovations which move events on to another level. That applies to the 100m times now that every sprinter worth their salt can execute a decent drive phase. Without that some of the conversions might look a little less extreme.

    9.08m long jump seems possible. 45.40 400mH? Not so much.
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    If Bolt never were born, probably the WR would be around 9.70-9.72 now.
    The difference is very important i think.
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    Look at it this way, if jamboi had come here predicting that Bolt would come in an have marks of 9.77/19.66, we would have been wondering what kind of drugs he was on. After his races, no one was particularly touting that his marks were superb in any way that compared with, say the HJ.

    To call marks that were talked about merely as being a bit disappointing says two things: 1) how good Bolt has been; and 2) how comparatively mediocre his marks were, especially the 200, which was supposed to be the most likely track outcome of the meet.

    Finally, if you want to see a great final leg of the 4x100, no one ever will recommend this as exhibit A, Exhibit A (and B, C, D and E) is Hayes' 1964 OG from a chew-up, muddy Lane 1. Against that leg, even from almost 50 years ago, Jamaica would have lost this race.
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    Bolt defeats to Hayes several years ago, now and in Rio too.
    Not compare to Bolt with another sprinter in the history, no comparation :wink:
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    For the best illistration of how flawed the tables are, just compare the women's distance races to the women's pole vault. For example, how can Turinesh Dibaba's 5000 WR (14:11) only be equivalent to 5.01 in the pole vault?
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    well if bolt can spot gatlin 10m in a relay, he certainly ain't losing to bob hayes. in all seriousness, when i see the "what if" posts from pre-2008 credibly arguing that bob hayes had a 9.58 in him if he was running today, then i will agree that bolt might not have a chance againt hayes. i think we forget how shocking that 9.58 and that 19.19 were even after what we saw in beijing.

    i hope bolt doesn't read this board. otherwise, he might post a "he didn't say that" message. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EZSum
    These lists definitely need some work. Bolt's 9.58 apparently equates to a 45.40 400m hurdles. Is any human being ever going to run such a time without genetic modification? Blake and Gay's 9.69s are "worth" 46.16.

    9.58 also equates to:

    110m hurdles - 12.48
    400m - 42.37
    4 x 100m - 36.41 (this one seems legitimate to me as 4 Bolts could run this time).
    4 x 400m - 2m 49.59
    800m - 1m 39.02
    1500m - 3m 22.38
    3000m - 7m 12.10 (Komen not so impregnable now, huh?)
    5000m - 12m 21.34
    10000m - 25m 41.34

    Decathlon - 9591 (not even Brian Boitano la South Park could achieve this).

    Pole Vault - 6.35
    Long Jump - 9.08
    Triple Jump - 18.83
    Shot Putt - 23.92
    Discus - 76.35
    Hammer Throw - 91.25
    Javelin - 99.13 (even Zelezny goes down!)

    Some good laughs in there for sure.
    Sure these lists could use an update, but could never even remotely be perfect.
    So then again the problem remains.
    Besides, who's to judge the real clean human performance level?
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