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    The 3 best performances of WC are of BOLT
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    Sometimes the people forget that the WRs of Bolt are really amazing and are very very far of everybody compared with other events, and when he gets not so great times, the people think that his performances are not very good.

    Only with to read is enough: http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/2013 ... mpionships

    8-)

    And with IAAF points, comparing events, it is same :wink:
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    I completely disagree. Why should Bolt's 200 metres time be better than Tamgho 18+?
    Tamgho's jump is the third longest in history while Bolt's time is just... 19th. And even if you don't count the other times by Bolt his time is only the 10th or 9th best ever.
    The same can be said about Bondarenko, Lysenko (2nd best ever) and many others. Track and Field is not just sprinting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZELLGADISS
    Sometimes the people forget that the WRs of Bolt are really amazing and are very very far of everybody compared with other events, and when he gets not so great times, the people think that his performances are not very good.

    Only with to read is enough: http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/2013 ... mpionships

    8-)

    And with IAAF points, comparing events, it is same :wink:
    Of cause you cannot argue about well-constructed mathematical point lists for rating top performances. Therefore Bolt deserves to be on top of the list, but of cause far from being on top of his game. Without correcting for wind more than a colossal 2% decline.

    The top performances of Usain Bolt are from an outlier without precedent.
    It's up to the viewer to rate for himself, what he's been seeing in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans Rutten
    Quote Originally Posted by ZELLGADISS
    Sometimes the people forget that the WRs of Bolt are really amazing and are very very far of everybody compared with other events, and when he gets not so great times, the people think that his performances are not very good.

    Only with to read is enough: http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/2013 ... mpionships

    8-)

    And with IAAF points, comparing events, it is same :wink:
    Of cause you cannot argue about well-constructed mathematical point lists for rating top performances.
    You absolutely can argue about whether they are in fact "well-constructed" in the first place. I might argue they are not extremely well-constructed. There may well be some room for improvement.
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    These point systems were devised at a time when 10-flat would win any global championship. Now it barely gets you into a final where you lose by two or three meters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumboElliott
    These point systems were devised at a time when 10-flat would win any global championship. Now it barely gets you into a final where you lose by two or three meters.
    true jumboelliott, but isn't there an argument that bolt has taken the m100 closer to the limits of human capabilities than the other athletes have in their events? if so, why should he be penalized because he is closer to that theoretical limit than bondarenko is in the high jump?
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    I personally wouldn't rank Bolts 100 and 200 WR runs as high as his BJ runs, didn't have as much impact and didn't really break as big of a barrier.

    But if your referring to this Championships? Bolt is not even in the top 10 of best performances this past week.
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    Everyone has their own opinion and standards as to who should be accorded "the best performance" accolade.

    All Zellgadiss did was to direct us to a rankings list based on the IAAF scoring table. Sasuke is entitled to his opinion that he considers Tamgho and Bondarenko deserve to be rated higher than Bolt. And Jumbo may well be right that perhaps the scoring tables should be revised.

    What can't be disputed, however, is that the list Zellgadiss directed us to is unbiased, given that it is based on the official IAAF scoring tables which were in place prior to the WC, and therefore probably the only independent and unbiased way to construct such a list.

    We, of course, are all free to disagree with those rankings as Sasuke clearly does. The real anomaly of this methodology is in tactical events like the distance races. Mo Farah's winning 5000m time would rank him behind, for example, the 10.26 of Nigeria's Ogho-Oghene Egwero in placing 5th in his heat of the 100m.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maroon
    Quote Originally Posted by JumboElliott
    These point systems were devised at a time when 10-flat would win any global championship. Now it barely gets you into a final where you lose by two or three meters.
    true jumboelliott, but isn't there an argument that bolt has taken the m100 closer to the limits of human capabilities than the other athletes have in their events? if so, why should he be penalized because he is closer to that theoretical limit than bondarenko is in the high jump?
    Bolt wasn't the first person to lop a huge chunk off the World Record. Carl Lewis took more than a tenth of a second off the sea level record. The scoring tables should have been adjusted as soon as people started breaking 9.95 at sea level with some regularity.
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    jumboelliott -- thanks for your reply. i haven't thought this through fully, but a couple of things:

    i dont think big movements in a world record in one event versus another necessarily mean that the scoring tables are flawed. those movements can be due to differences in talent pools, differences in advances made in understanding and teaching effective technique and differences in motivation. i think the 100m trumps the high jump in all of those categories.

    having said that, i don't know the methodology that was used to determine the original scoring tables, so i am not speaking from a position of authority.
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