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    Quote Originally Posted by tandfman View Post
    How can PVers not welcome PVP? :-)

    Haha because I ask questions about vaccinated individuals becoming asymptomatic carriers during pertussis outbreaks and all of a sudden the people who swear by peer reviewed studies are attacking the widely accepted studies that don't match up with their views. I mean even the CDC says the aceullar pertussis vaccine does not provide herd immunity, and suddenly the pro vaxers don't consider the CDC to be a good source, when two seconds prior they were mocking AVers for rejecting the CDC as a source.

    And asking questions about waning immunity for the chickenpox vaccine. Also not popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pego View Post
    I am breaking my vow not to respond to user4's posts and I will probably regret it, but this above nonsense requires response.

    No civilized country "allows public defecation and urination and open needle use." They are not "ignoring the most basic established best practices for public health."

    Yes, we need general hygiene principles and we need vaccinations. Neither one is a subject of amateurish or political vacillation. If there ever was need for application of "Pro bono publico", this is it.

    Seattle has a huge problem with public defecation and urination and open needle use and many feel it is being ignored by the City Council.
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    Incoming migrants are being denied vaccines. Denying vaccines to high risk populations who WANT them is cruel.

    Mumps and influenza outbreaks have been a major problem in detention facilities, and the staff are getting infected as well, since neither vaccine is terribly effective.

    The mumps vaccine is more of an issue of waning immunity, giving incoming migrants the MMR and giving all staff another dose should reduce outbreaks.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/opini...ves/index.html

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6834a4.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by polevaultpower View Post
    suddenly the pro vaxers don't consider the CDC to be a good source
    The "pro vaxers" (aka, the overwhelming majority of the medical community, the men and women with a formal post-grad education in these matters) have no such reservations with the CDC. They understand that not every circumstance can be explained with one answer. Yet they universally agree that refusing to be vaccinated is a recipe for disaster.
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    I don't know much about anything but common sense dictates, anecdotal suspicions aside, that when a vaccine has been proven effective in preventing a specific disease, get the shot.
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    I posed a thesis in post #1181 (!!!) that I have never heard a reasonable response to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I posed a thesis in post #1181 (!!!) that I have never heard a reasonable response to.
    Do you mean post #1183?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I posed a thesis in post #1181 (!!!) that I have never heard a reasonable response to.
    I think it was a silent acclimation..
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    anti-vaxxer dumps (blood?) on California lawmakers

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...php?psid=mWhtO
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    anti-vaxxer dumps (blood?) on California lawmakers

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...php?psid=mWhtO
    That is so incredibly gross, and so not helpful to their cause...
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