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    Re: Who is the greatest tennis player of all time?
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    Some of us never see her at all.
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    I think "greatness" is subjective, because it's difficult to compare eras....

    I prefer to look at who are the most "successful" players of all time.

    On that basis, this is my ranking:

    Men
    1) Federer
    2) Sampras
    3) Nadal

    Women
    1) Graf
    2) Serena

    I don't think Federer will win any more Slams, sadly, because he's my favourite player to watch. But I do think Nadal and Serena have more Slams in them, so those rankings could well change.
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    What every pro tennis player does better than Federer:

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    Quote Originally Posted by shivfan
    I think "greatness" is subjective, because it's difficult to compare eras....

    I prefer to look at who are the most "successful" players of all time.

    On that basis, this is my ranking:

    Men
    1) Federer
    2) Sampras
    3) Nadal

    Women
    1) Graf
    2) Serena

    I don't think Federer will win any more Slams, sadly, because he's my favourite player to watch. But I do think Nadal and Serena have more Slams in them, so those rankings could well change.
    Surely if you speak of success you have to put Martina Navratilova as the women's one. The winner of the most tournaments of either sex. What's more impressive is that she did it against such great rivals, Chris Evert and Steffi Graf which I think goes against Serena who has generally dominated a decade of applauding women's Tennis.
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    When Steffi and Martina met in finals Steffi was 8-4 over her, 4-2 in Majors. At the top of their games I 'll take Steffi. Martina could sometimes be rattled.
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    I also wouldn't be so quick to say women's tennis is appalling now....

    The Williams sisters have raised the bar. Before they came along, only Seles had a decent service return. Both Venus and Serena punished the poor serves that prevailed before, and forced the new generation to up their game. Serving has improved, returns of serve have improved, all-round court coverage has improved, etc. Graf primarily used a slice backhand, and good though it was, she couldn't survive in this era with a slice backhand. And Evert''s weak serve would've been slaughtered in this era. That's why Hingis was so quick to call it a day....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Per Andersen
    When Steffi and Martina met in finals Steffi was 8-4 over her, 4-2 in Majors.
    But that's not a fair comparison. By the time Graf started reaching finals, Navratilova was around 30, and already a bit past her prime (although still good enough to beat Steffi in two Grand Slam finals in 1987). It's just unfair to punish her in the rankings for continuing to compete for years after that. She could just as well have retired in 87 or 88; what she'd done by then would have been enough to make her the most successful player ever.

    And you're cherry-picking with your statistics, too. If you look at all the games Navratilova played vs Graf, it's a 9-9 tie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell

    And you're cherry-picking with your statistics, too. If you look at all the games Navratilova played vs Graf, it's a 9-9 tie.
    I think my statistics were pretty significant, (majors & finals)
    I don't necessarily disagree with Navratilova being the more successful player but I think Graf at her best was the better player.
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    I agree with Per. I think its close, but give the edge to Steffi. Martina greatest ever on grass, Steffi greatest ever on all surfaces.
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    That's the problem with head-to-head statistics...that's why to me there's only one statistic that matters - singles Grand Slam titles.
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    I discount Margaret Court, because she played as an amateur, and we know what the problems were with that era....

    But in the Open era, which started in 1968, the list is as follows:

    1) Graf - 22
    2) Evert - 18
    3) Navratilova - 18
    4) Serena - 17 and climbing
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