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    Right ....from the FT...

    The projects are tiny in scale. Atlas Carbon can only use up to 32,000 short tons a year of coal. Two of the 60 trains leaving the basin every day can haul that much coal with dozens of cars to spare. “We can’t keep a coal mine open,” Mr Levy says, shrugging his shoulders.

    Since a ribbon-cutting in May 2018, the Wyoming ITC remains unused. The Xprize recently postponed the finalists’ deadline to June 2020. Walking across the empty gravel site in the shadow of the Dry Fork smokestack, Mr Begger says his biggest challenge is recruiting tenants: “We’re still patiently waiting for that first one.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Right ....from the FT...

    The projects are tiny in scale. Atlas Carbon can only use up to 32,000 short tons a year of coal. Two of the 60 trains leaving the basin every day can haul that much coal with dozens of cars to spare. “We can’t keep a coal mine open,” Mr Levy says, shrugging his shoulders.

    Since a ribbon-cutting in May 2018, the Wyoming ITC remains unused. The Xprize recently postponed the finalists’ deadline to June 2020. Walking across the empty gravel site in the shadow of the Dry Fork smokestack, Mr Begger says his biggest challenge is recruiting tenants: “We’re still patiently waiting for that first one.”
    How is the volume of coal relevant? Coal costs a couple of hundred dollars a ton. Look up the price of potential products such as carbon fiber, graphene, and carbon nanotubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    And the horse and Camel were once the main means of transportation. Bring back the horse? And Poop was the main form of heating. Bring back poop?
    I think you miss the point completely. Carbon based energy sources meet approximately 80% of US energy demand. That is just reality. We are all for finding and developing more efficient sources of energy. But until those energy sources are found and proven cost effective we (you and i) are going to continue to base our high standard of living on carbon fuels, natural gas, petroleum and coal.

    the biggest reason coal is in relatively low demand is the recent abundance and low cost of NG , natural gas. You can thank the people that find NG and drill it and pipe it to us for the lower use of coal. Carbon is your friend, only plants need it more than you.
    But NG may not be around forever so User 4 advocates the building of 50 more nuclear power plants in the next decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad hammy View Post
    There's enough hot air in this thread from lonewolf and user4 alone to raise global temps a degree or two . . .
    Thank you, I was going to take my private jet to Davos to discuss the importance of a global consensus on climate change policy and investment but decided to come here instead.

    Ministry of Truth, definition of "hot air " : Perspectives that do not promote EngSoc climate science view and policy prescriptions.

    In all seriousness, be thankful for a warm climate, savor it, future generations are coming that will not have this coveted luxury.
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    Once again terrible tropical storm in SE Texas, flooding much of the area. Beaumont can't seem to catch a break, and some areas near Houston have had 30"+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm View Post
    Once again terrible tropical storm in SE Texas, flooding much of the area. Beaumont can't seem to catch a break, and some areas near Houston have had 30"+.
    its already over all the wheat and oats...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZD7eoHZT8
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    America’s Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...e-florida-keys

    Harris County, Texas — which includes Houston, ravaged by a series of storms including 2017’s Harvey — has done more than 3,000 FEMA buyouts, more than any other county in the U.S., according to NRDC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gh View Post
    and how do we know that projection wasn't correct and that man-made activity hasn't reversed it, making the boffins right both times?
    All the more reason to thank the millions of people finding, moving and refining carbon based fuels. But please people, dont ask this one industry to carry you for the next 200 years. Its time for the nuclear power professionals to step up and deliver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user4 View Post
    Its time for the nuclear power professionals to step up and deliver . . .
    . . . a clean, safe way to dispose of their trash.
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    Meanwhile....

    The World’s Biggest Offshore Wind Farm Will Be as Cheap as Coal

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true
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