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    Gary C: Thanks for all of your texts on your...

    Gary C: Thanks for all of your texts on your father's legacy. I read them but haven't replied until now. I did not meet your Father but grew up in knowing about the long distance runner every time I...
  2. Yes, gh, I was surprised at the reference of the...

    Yes, gh, I was surprised at the reference of the $250,000 offer. The story comes from the "Racing Past:The History of Middle and Long Distance Running. I believe written by John Colby.
    It is a six...
  3. I agree Conor that Clarke may have a better...

    I agree Conor that Clarke may have a better personal perspective of Elliott being from Australia and an athlete in the same era.

    If you type "Herb Elliott interviews" into internet the first two...
  4. I listened to Clarke's several times in the...

    I listened to Clarke's several times in the interview with the section he talks about Elliott and Clarke never says "Elliott told me" that "he regretted quitting so young"
    Clarke says: "I think"...
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    The way Courtney told me and it is reviewed in...

    The way Courtney told me and it is reviewed in his book was that Olympic Coach Kelly had the four 440 runners have a time trial against Courtney one week before OG in Australia. Courtney beat all...
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    I met Tom Courtney about 1 1/2 yrs ago for brunch...

    I met Tom Courtney about 1 1/2 yrs ago for brunch in Florida and what a great human being. Extremely witty with Irish humor and very successful attorney for corporate world. He was just finishing his...
  7. El Toro has the correct version in the 2001...

    El Toro has the correct version in the 2001 Elliott interview. It is almost word for word the description that Elliott told in his autobiography (the next to the last page of his book).
    I have tried...
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    Yes, one C. Moore is alive, the other C. Moore...

    Yes, one C. Moore is alive, the other C. Moore passed away some 20 years ago. Clayton Moore went to Senn High Scool in Chicago, about 2 miles from my house. Whenever we all would pass Senn on way to...
  9. This is a tough question and their is no correct...

    This is a tough question and their is no correct answer, just opinions.
    I would definitely pick Elliott over Snell, and Ryun over Snell.
    The Elliiott/Ryun dual is close in my mind, only because it...
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    No I was never near O'Hara. Groth got 2nd and the...

    No I was never near O'Hara. Groth got 2nd and the gold medal, I believe in around 4:05.2

    I remember there were tiny red flags ( maybe 10-12 inches) at the 1500 meter line at end of first turn,...
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    Dear Master Pro: Tom O'Hara did run an amazing...

    Dear Master Pro: Tom O'Hara did run an amazing altitude mile in 1963 in Albuquerque which is around 5300 feet above sea level. He ran 4:04.8 when WR by Snell was 3:54.4 (I calculated a 95.8% of WR...
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    Sorry dj, I had to do research and it is an...

    Sorry dj, I had to do research and it is an unbelievable question and answer. Everyone who says Jim Ryun came close in a way??
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    Wild guess, 1968 and maybe 1500/mile ( 3rd lap)...

    Wild guess, 1968 and maybe 1500/mile ( 3rd lap) race as warmup for OG Trials. Could be Ryun, Patrick, or Liquori.
  14. Yes, Dejango, I too was an aspiring miler in 1958...

    Yes, Dejango, I too was an aspiring miler in 1958 and don't remember hearing or seeing anything about Herb Elliott's WR in 1958, like DoubleRBar.
    Over the next three years, however, I found myself...
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    Thanks bambam1729, great to see you return with...

    Thanks bambam1729, great to see you return with vital news to all of us.
    There is a great YouTube video about 18 min showing Heatley passing Japan’s Kokicchi Tsuburoya 150m from finish.
    Also the...
  16. Thread: 1964 AAU's

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    July 11, 1957 three Finnish runners, all with the...

    July 11, 1957 three Finnish runners, all with the same first name broke 1500m WR in Turku with places first and second in photo finish with exact same times.

    Roszvolgyi held existing WR at 3:40.6...
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    You are right KDFINE, a quick move of my typing...

    You are right KDFINE, a quick move of my typing fingers reversed the 5 and the 2.

    How does/did the AAU handle the listing of the AR for Two Miles that night? Did Ryun break the AR and Grelle tied...
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    Thanks Master 403 for SI front view of OT-F 1500...

    Thanks Master 403 for SI front view of OT-F 1500 m race. I wish there were photos like T&F News had in the 1964 NCAA 10,000m dead heat finish of Jim Murphy and Bill Straub (from the newspaper Eugene...
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    Yes, Welcome back. Your expertise is needed....

    Yes, Welcome back. Your expertise is needed. Having been recuperating from a ? sacro-iliac
    joint tear that was pretty bad from just twisting oin a "normal" turn around move, I have plenty of time...
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    "Kiss me mother dear" Those were the last words...

    "Kiss me mother dear" Those were the last words from George Saling to his mother in hospital 5 minutes before he died. According to St. Louis Post Dispatch articles ( April 15 and 16, 1933) Saling...
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    Django, you got that memory correct, weather was...

    Django, you got that memory correct, weather was horrible to warm up with I called muggy which meant as you said "oppressively humid".

    gh: appreciate you "pro forma" explanation of the rules of...
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    Just came home from hospital after a sudden 10/10...

    Just came home from hospital after a sudden 10/10 pain in my hip which proved to be a tear in my "gluteus medius" muscle from running. Thought it was another herniated disk but negative MRI. My pace...
  23. I am pretty sure you can buy 3 piece suit at...

    I am pretty sure you can buy 3 piece suit at Brooks Brothers. I have 4 suits and 10 sport coats from BB and still where them daily when I am out even though I have been retired from doctoring for...
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    Atticus, you said it all. “A final for all ages”....

    Atticus, you said it all. “A final for all ages”. I thought I would loose about 2 hours on my Sunday but was glad to have witnessed the best one on one athletic contest ever with two of the world’s...
  25. Thread: Big Event

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    Thanks DoubleRBar, I knew the clue did not...

    Thanks DoubleRBar, I knew the clue did not involve Lewis in the "Event", but I thought Lewis did HJ in his high school years.
    Read Balas biography and she was an amazing athlete with a horrendously...
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