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    Quote Originally Posted by mump boy View Post
    When calculating AOY i would have both Bonderenko and Barshim above atheletes with unbeaten records but no competition. They are jumping at unprecedented hights against the deepest competition in history.

    Certain others are benefitting from all their competition being AWOL for a variety of reasons
    I disagree. An athlete shouldn't be penalized this year based on athletes who are out but were dominating previous years.

    Gatlin for example, should not be penalized for the absance of Bolt Blake and partially Gay. He has no control over whether they are competing or not. He can only compete against who is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATK View Post
    Gatlin for example, should not be penalized for the absance of Bolt Blake and partially Gay. He has no control over whether they are competing or not. He can only compete against who is there.
    How is he going to be penalized? If he was running 9.6x, he would be easily AOY-worthy no matter how weak the competition this year was. Running 9.8's just isn't as impressive by historical standards as jumping 2.40+
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    How is he going to be penalized? If he was running 9.6x, he would be easily AOY-worthy no matter how weak the competition this year was. Running 9.8's just isn't as impressive by historical standards as jumping 2.40+
    Gatlin has been dominating the sprints...the high jumpers? Not so much.
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    If we're only talking about domination, then we're back to Lavillenie. (I don't think one NM is gonna change that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebee View Post
    Gatlin has been dominating the sprints...the high jumpers? Not so much.
    We're going in circles here... As has been said, domination means something when you have rivals of adequate quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    How is he going to be penalized? If he was running 9.6x, he would be easily AOY-worthy no matter how weak the competition this year was. Running 9.8's just isn't as impressive by historical standards as jumping 2.40+
    I'd buy this line of thinking if we had a raft of 9.8s this year. We've had two and one of them - Mr. Thompson take a bow - is suspect. Instead, 2.40 seems like a cakewalk as 6 men have cleared it and cleared it routinely. Gatlin has the best 200-meter time by a large margin as well.

    He is the dominant male athlete. That others can't stay healthy isn't his problem nor can we presume he'd lose if they were healthy.
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    I suspect that one reason that Bolt has a semi-non-season is that he did not seem likely to beat Gatlin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powell View Post
    We're going in circles here... As has been said, domination means something when you have rivals of adequate quality.
    That is peanalizing Gatlin for something he has no control over.

    Domination is what Gatlin and Lavillenie (sans is one NH) have done. Beating all available competition that is given to you. And not only beating, but essentially walking (or vaulting) away from them...

    Barshim and Bondarenko have dominated the top of the all time HJ list (combined 6 of the top 15 jumps ever) but neither has absolutely dominated the event this year. There is a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booond View Post
    He is the dominant male athlete. That others can't stay healthy isn't his problem nor can we presume he'd lose if they were healthy.
    So in effect he should get rewarded for 2014 being such a poor year for men's sprinting?
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    If Gatlin gets 9.7 in Brussels, very possible, with 0 losses and leading 100 and 200 ,he is AOY for me without doubts.
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