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    I hate these bullshit stimulant +ives that get splahed all over the media as 'DRUG CHEAT BUSTED'!!!

    Read this for more info. Why is it even on the banned list............

    http://sportsscientists.com/2010/12/...ment-industry/
     

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    This is crazy.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flumpy View Post
    I hate these bullshit stimulant +ives that get splahed all over the media as 'DRUG CHEAT BUSTED'!!!

    Read this for more info. Why is it even on the banned list............

    http://sportsscientists.com/2010/12/...ment-industry/
    My camp is growing. Slowly but surely ;-).
    A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact.


    Thomas Henry Huxley
     

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    I am inclined to agree w Pego's & Flumpy's comments & positions on this matter -- I did read the article Flumpy linked, and I have read a couple of others -- but I do have a couple of questions that perhaps can be commented upon by someone with scientific/medical training. I am not trying to get in an argument with anyone -- let me at least be clear on that point.

    This substance is a stimulant, so in some respect it could perhaps be performance-enhancing in some way, to some extent, right? If that's true, to some extent, how might this substance compare with caffeine, in its effects? I couldn't get a clear sense from my reading of "how much" of a stimulant it is.

    Does it have any sort of "masking agent" qualities? (I have no idea.)

    What I did note in multiple readings, in any case, is that this substance seems dangerous -- whatever it might provide (if anything) in "enhancement," it also seems to offer, so to speak, serious enough side effects to be a health hazard, at least for some persons -- e.g., elevating blood pressure.

    Seems like something athletes should be warned about, for sure. As for the other things, I would be interested to read more from someone in the know.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Po
    This substance is a stimulant, so in some respect it could perhaps be performance-enhancing in some way, to some extent, right?
    I have watched the use of stimulants in sports/recreational activities for many decades. There have been many studies and all of them conclude "it may enhance performance", "some scientists think..." and such. There have been a few, even posted on this board in the past that unequivocally concluded that there is a PED property to stimulants. The problem with those was that a methodology was flawed to say the least and to the best to my knowledge, nobody was able to reproduce those positive results.

    I will just keep repeating my mantra, "Stimulants make you feel like Tarzan, but you perform like Jane."
    A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pego View Post
    My camp is growing. Slowly but surely ;-).
    Some previously self-righteous posters have finally seen the light since their own countrymen have recently tested positive....

    It was a different story when these athletes belonged to different countries.
    My heart is still in the Caribbean....
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flumpy View Post
    I hate these bullshit stimulant +ives that get splahed all over the media as 'DRUG CHEAT BUSTED'!!!

    Read this for more info. Why is it even on the banned list............

    http://sportsscientists.com/2010/12/...ment-industry/
    Then you can stop referring to Justin Gatlin as a two time drug cheat and tell other people to, because his first "bust" was for a prescribed stimulant.
     

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    Maybe they're banned because they're actually harmful, unlike anabolic steroids.

    I can't think of many things more potentially catastrophic than high intensity activity after taking something that will increase your heart rate.
     

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    The issue most people have with Gatlin is that he never ever admitted any guilt on his part even up to this day.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pego View Post
    I have watched the use of stimulants in sports/recreational activities for many decades. There have been many studies and all of them conclude "it may enhance performance", "some scientists think..." and such. There have been a few, even posted on this board in the past that unequivocally concluded that there is a PED property to stimulants. The problem with those was that a methodology was flawed to say the least and to the best to my knowledge, nobody was able to reproduce those positive results.

    I will just keep repeating my mantra, "Stimulants make you feel like Tarzan, but you perform like Jane."
    thanks, Pego.
     

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