There is no doubt about Farah's grittiness or toughness. But the fact remains that, for his 2 main events, he is not even close to being in the top 10 performers of all time, in terms of his fastest...
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* Viren won an Olympic double, double
* Viren set world records in the 2 mile, 5000 and 10000.
* His 1976 marathon of 2:13:11 was less than 4 minutes off the then world record.
* Viren had to...
And another point flumpy, how the hell can you not consider the scoring tables of relevance in a thread discussing the decathlon.
Or perhaps you haven't noticed that without the scoring tables...
oh my dear flumpy, then pray tell, what then is then the rationale/evidence that you use to pimp your justifications for making comparisons to enable you to determine who to support for AOY. Or is...
26mi365 - While the points you raise are all correct it doesn't get away from the reality that there never will be such a thing as an accurate or perfect way to judge performances across disparate...
I think it is the constitution part that I think is so hard to overcome in the USA. However, I also believe that, if there was a free vote on the banning of guns in a manner akin to what Australia...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, it doesn't negate the fact that those tables are what we have.
I don't have to convince myself. The tables are the tables and all I am doing...
The real point is that Bolt has never needed to contemplate doing the decathlon because he is so dominant in his individual events.
I also find it interesting that you consider he wouldn't do any...
10-04-2015, 11:52 PM
On that basis Farah is clearly #3 post 1990.
And I agree with mump that Farah has the ability to run very fast times, in fact I am sure he has the ability to break the WRs with the right conditions...
9.58 + 6.0% = 10.15
9.69 + 6.0% = 10.27
I see an 8500 decathlon being worth between 10.15 and 10.27
It is way, way, much more difficult to be top world class in the 100m than in the decathlon
Given the much greater numbers of athletes competing in the 100m compared to the decathlon; and given the much greater number of 100m performances each athlete does every year compared to the number...
Olorin - I feel comfortable with all of those examples you have given.
And you are correct; I consider Bolt's 9.58 to be way superior to Eaton's 9045. And here are a couple of other things I...
10.02 is 4.6% off 9.58
8500 is 6.0% off 9045
So my answer is yes
And if anything 10.02 is actually better than 8500 given how much of an outlier the 9.58 is
10-04-2015, 09:18 AM
First, it depends what you mean by the modern era. Whether it is post WWII or post 1970, I believe #1 is Gebreselassie and #2 is Bekele. The competition for #3 is, IMO, between Viren, Zatopek and...
10-04-2015, 05:35 AM
I could easily argue for Taylor, Fajdek, Eaton and Kiprop in front of Bolt for AOY. I could also argue just as easily the other way.
The only one I do disagree with you about, is Farah. I find...
10-04-2015, 05:28 AM
The lack of maturity is when one quits a discussion because he/she doesn't want to allow another poster the right to promote their opinion.
You don't have to agree with zellgadiss but to refer...
And in following on from El Toro, the problem 26mi365 is that you appear to want to prove the impossible - that somehow the tables are unfair to the decathlon.
And that is mission impossible -...
In 1996, a gunman opened fire at a popular tourist destination on the Australian island of Tasmania. Using a semiautomatic rifle, he killed 35 people.
As are New Zealanders and probably every other...
I did not use the decathlon tables. I used the table that compares all events, including the decathlon, and which measures performances to allow performances to be compared/rated on an "equal" basis.
The methodology used to construct the tables is not relevant to the debate on the respective merits of the AOY debate. The relative merits of the scores for each event compared to every other event...
To suggest that the scoring tables mean nothing simply because an athlete breaks a world record is a conclusion based on Darwinian logic.
I understand that you are saying that every time a...
Part-time or not:
1. In his events, he competed more than Eaton, similar to Taylor, more than Farah
2. In WC golds? Enough said
3. As the table I produced shows:
** Bolt 2015 is hurt by Bolt 2009...
IAAF Scoring Tables
SCORE - DEC - 100 - 200 - - - TJ
1356 - 9524 - 9.58 - 19.16 - 18.79
1351 - 9492 - 9.59 - 19.19 - 18.74
1339 - 9416 - 9.62 - 19.26 - 18.62...
A great argument to promote Bolt's credentials for AOY
what jazz fails to realise is that while Father Time is ultimately always undefeated, for most of us on this board, youth is anything below 40; especially when you have the likes of Kim Collins and a...
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